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not only that .. but a total lack of information judgement and math skills.
Not to mention the stating personal opinion as fact,bashing,trolling,and fanboyism.
These threads are always interesting.
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I didn't say that NO ONE could tell the difference. Hardcore gamers and people who work in such fields will be able to tell some difference. However, from what I can tell, most people cannot. Maybe more than half of people here on OCN will. But most people cannot. And people who can't stand gaming at 45fps are even rarer.
How about someone do what I said in an earlier post. Play CoD 4 on a 120Hz monitor, then plug in a 60Hz monitor. If you can tell the difference, you have great eyes.
Exactly.
Edited by Heavy MG - 7/27/11 at 2:31pm
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post #122 of 201
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not only that .. but a total lack of information judgement and math skillz
Yeah, there are people who take all rumors as true and there are people who take all rumors as false.

Then there are people who only take the negative rumors as true and the positive ones as false, and vice versa.

When 99.99% of rumors are false, and most notably the new product numbers and clock speeds make absolutely no sense and come from a source that before this was considered to be terribly inaccurate (WCCF)...
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How about someone do what I said in an earlier post. Play CoD 4 on a 120Hz monitor, then plug in a 60Hz monitor. If you can tell the difference, you have great eyes.
You cant see the difference, but you can certainly feel it. Especially in a Quake engine game like COD4 where higher frame rate reaps tons of benefits.
post #124 of 201
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They always do end up hosting off-topic arguments and sometimes flame wars...
yeah well of course they do, there's nothing else to say

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That's completely different from what you claimed before were "mythical numbers". All of my estimates regarding Bulldozer's performance are based on numbers from AMD and AMD's most detailed descriptions of the architecture. I expect a heavily overclocked Bulldozer octocore to get above 11 points.
I didn't say that NO ONE could tell the difference. Hardcore gamers and people who work in such fields will be able to tell some difference. However, from what I can tell, most people cannot. Maybe more than half of people here on OCN will. But most people cannot. And people who can't stand gaming at 45fps are even rarer.

I don't own any CRTs. Threw them all out years ago.

How about someone do what I said in an earlier post. Play CoD 4 on a 120Hz monitor, then plug in a 60Hz monitor. If you can tell the difference, you have great eyes.
You don't need great eyes. Just normally working ones.

Besides I'd say way more than 1/2 of the people on OCN can tell the difference between 45 and 60. Pretty much every PC gamer I know can. And if you're not a PC gamer I don't see why you'd need to be able to tell the difference. So I'm gonna say that most people that normally deal with games on the PC will notice the difference.

I don't understand why the 'normal user doesn't need that much power' argument so often appears on OCN. Most of us aren't here to debate about the fitting cpu/apu for the general user. And it's always beneficial for the normal user to have more power than they need. Pretty much everyone who's not into computers doesn't like buying a new PC. With more power the computer has a better chance to last long.
 
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post #125 of 201
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Not to mention the stating personal opinion as fact,bashing,trolling,and fanboyism.
These threads are always interesting.

they do are entertaining somehow



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Yeah, there are people who take all rumors as true and there are people who take all rumors as false.

Then there are people who only take the negative rumors as true and the positive ones as false, and vice versa.

When 99.99% of rumors are false, and most notably the new product numbers and clock speeds make absolutely no sense and come from a source that before this was considered to be terribly inaccurate (WCCF)...

maybe its their reasoning that is at fault ... intel always win so if rumors points to amd winning they cry faul .. if not they say amd sucks ...


LOL
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post #126 of 201
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I don't understand why the 'normal user doesn't need that much power' argument so often appears on OCN. Most of us aren't here to debate about the fitting cpu/apu for the general user. And it's always beneficial for the normal user to have more power than they need. Pretty much everyone who's not into computers doesn't like buying a new PC. With more power the computer has a better chance to last long.
That wasn't the main point of my argument. I also pointed out that Starcraft makes terrible use of available hardware and that Bulldozer will greatly improve gaming on the AMD platform. It's just that the claim that most people can't see the difference between 45 and 60 was more controversial. Even more, I did mention that AMD is a bad choice for playing Civ 5. If I only played Starcraft 2, I wouldn't have AMD. But the fact of the matter is, in almost all games, the difference between Intel and AMD will be around 5 fps. And you have to be insane to pay $150 for 5 fps.


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they do are entertaining somehow






maybe its their reasoning that is at fault ... intel always win so if rumors points to amd winning they cry faul .. if not they say amd sucks ...


LOL
I wanted to say that badly, but I've already gotten warnings for accusing people of being fanboys. lol
Edited by Usario - 7/27/11 at 2:35pm
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they do are entertaining somehow






maybe its their reasoning that is at fault ... intel always win so if rumors points to amd winning they cry faul .. if not they say amd sucks ...
LOL
Yeah notice how most who screamed fake, said it's too late,8 cores are useless which means the single core performance will be crap,or claiming that they know for a fact IPC will suck were the Intel users. All of this debate over something that is still a rumor.
Edited by Heavy MG - 7/27/11 at 2:41pm
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Yeah notice how most who screamed fake, said it's too late,8 cores are useless which means the single core performance will be crap,or claiming that they know for a fact IPC will suck were the Intel users. All of this debate over something that is still a rumor.
The "bad IPC" claim particularly annoys me because it's a fact that since each integer core has four pipelines IPC will be comparable to or better than Nehalem.
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Yeah notice how most who screamed fake, said it's too late,8 cores are useless which means the single core performance will be crap,or claiming that they know for a fact IPC will suck were the Intel users. All of this debate over something that is still a rumor.
yet their hyperthreaded cpu has 8 threads .... LOLl


not only this .. but some info on the bulldozer architecture is allready out ... showing that amd has a good one in their hands ...


now how will the program react to it is something different .



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The "bad IPC" claim particularly annoys me because it's a fact that since each integer core has four pipelines IPC will be comparable to or better than Nehalem.
cannot wait for the nda to be lifted on those architectural detail slides ... so that hans on xs can explain it further for us mere mortals
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now how will the program react to it is something different .
Any well coded program that would actually benefit from all of Bulldozer's power should already be able to take advantage of it.
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