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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycles_Per_Instruction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruc...el_parallelism

AMD's "Bulldozer" achieves more than Intel's "Sandy Bridge" Naturally in these aspects(CPI and ILP)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_pipeline
AMD "Bulldozer" is longer here than "Sandy Bridge" and this where K10 lost performance and where K15 won't

K10 vs K15
K10 was inefficient and vastly larger than expected
It has 3ALU+3AGU but only 3 pipelines for execution(3 alus or 3 agus)
K15 is somewhat bigger but is vastly more efficient
It has 2ALUs+2AGLUs with 4 pipelines for execution per "core" (2 alus and 2 aglus(2alu or 2 agus)?)
Here is my source for this info^

This is in the K15h optimization/software guide


AMD "Bulldozer" more efficient, longer, and has a name that can kill, and smaller than "Sandy Bridge"
15.045mm^2 vs 17~mm^2

I hate trying to fight for one side but this is a much needed improvement over K10 and if it works well it might be slightly better than Sandy Bridge in single thread, as long as it launches in 2011, I am a happy camper.



If someone can tell me can a AGLU do ALU and AGU executions in what would be 1 cycle? or does it do what Phenom II does ALU or AGU?
Edited by Seronx - 7/27/11 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by Seronx View Post
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycles_Per_Instruction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruc...el_parallelism

AMD's "Bulldozer" achieves more than Intel's "Sandy Bridge" Naturally in these aspects(CPI and ILP)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_pipeline
AMD "Bulldozer" is longer here than "Sandy Bridge" and this where K10 lost performance and where K15 won't

K10 vs K15
K10 was inefficient and vastly larger than expected
It has 3ALU+3AGU but only 3 pipelines for execution
K15 is somewhat bigger but is vastly more efficient
It has 2ALUs+2AGLUs with 4 pipelines for execution per "core"
Here is my source for this info^

This is in the K15h optimization/software guide


AMD "Bulldozer" more efficient, longer, and has a name that can kill

I hate trying to fight for one side but this is a much needed improvement over K10 and if it works well it might be slightly better than Sandy Bridge in single thread, as long as it launches in 2011, I am a happy camper.

Thank you. Too many people here are talking about Bulldozer without knowing anything about the specifics of the microarchitecture.
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I have high hopes for amd tho. I just love to see the underdog come out on top once in a while. I don't even really see amd as the underdog. Its just fanboys really make me see it that way. (not saying any of you on here are) I know my 1090t doesn't bottleneck my gtx 570 even after some decent overclocking(on the gpu). I am sure i drop another gtx in my rig and it would. At this point though i havan't seen any bottlenecking and thats what i was concerned with. So if BD is a hell of a lot faster then phenom II then yea i might end up going with it come time to get a new gpu.
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Thank you. Too many people here are talking about Bulldozer without knowing anything about the specifics of the microarchitecture.
You're welcome

I don't know much about Computer μarchitecture but I know where to find people that are xD

I am just shocked that people keep saying Bulldozer has 2 ALUs it has 4 ALUs 2 of which are AGLUs

Well based on the software guide, it should have "4" ALUs

I really need some to tell me what the differences between
2 ALUs + 2 AGUs vs 2 AGLUs are they the same thing or is the AGLU more superior?

The question is been nagging at me since I saw the guide xD
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You're welcome

I don't know much about Computer μarchitecture but I know where to find people that are xD

I am just shocked that people keep saying Bulldozer has 2 ALUs it has 4 ALUs 2 of which are AGLUs

Well based on the software guide, it should have "4" ALUs

I really need some to tell me what the differences between
2 ALUs + 2 AGUs vs 2 AGLUs are they the same thing or is the AGLU more superior?

The question is been nagging at me since I saw the guide xD
Are you still confident that BD is being released August 1st?
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Are you still confident that BD is being released August 1st?
I believe availability is still in August 1st - 31st



July still hasn't ended so it can still launch in July and be available in august
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I believe availability is still in August 1st - 31st



July still hasn't ended so it can still launch in July and be available in august
I think there's a 50/50 chance we'll see it in August. A Chinese site with a decent track record does claim that BD is scheduled for release sometime around September 19, though.


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You're welcome

I don't know much about Computer μarchitecture but I know where to find people that are xD

I am just shocked that people keep saying Bulldozer has 2 ALUs it has 4 ALUs 2 of which are AGLUs

Well based on the software guide, it should have "4" ALUs

I really need some to tell me what the differences between
2 ALUs + 2 AGUs vs 2 AGLUs are they the same thing or is the AGLU more superior?

The question is been nagging at me since I saw the guide xD
Isn't an AGLU a combination of an ALU and an AGU? Also, Bulldozer doesn't have any AGLUs. It has two ALUs and two AGUs.
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I believe availability is still in August 1st - 31st



July still hasn't ended so it can still launch in July and be available in august
That's not what you said before, you said it will be available August 1st. Not August 1 - 31, but I understand, you are an AMD fan afterall, and that's the way AMD rolls.
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Isn't an AGLU a combination of an ALU and an AGU? Also, Bulldozer doesn't have any AGLUs. It has two ALUs and two AGUs.


Says it does

EX0 = ALU and a Divider/Popcnt/Lzcnt
AGLU0 = ALU and AGU
EX1 = ALU and a Multiplier/Branch
AGLU1 = ALU and AGU

EX does Arithmetic and Logical + Shift so isn't that an ALU?
AGLU does Arithmetic and Logical + Address Generation again first 2 is an ALU?

EX0/AGLU0 = ALU pipeline 0? + AGU pipeline 0?
EX1/AGLU1 = ALU pipeline 1? + AGU pipeline 1?

or

EX0 -> Pipeline 0
AGLU0 -> Pipeline 1
EX1 -> Pipeline 2
AGLU1 -> Pipeline 3

Someone get someone to get here to explain this to me xD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_unit

Is even more confusing me


My mind states this:
EX0 -> Pipeline 0, ALU+Shifter+Divider+Popcnt/Lzcnt
AGLU0 -> Pipeline, 1 ALU+AGU
EX1 -> Pipeline 2, ALU+Shifter+Multiplier+Branch
AGLU1 -> Pipeline, 3 ALU+AGU

ALU = Arithmetic Logic Unit, meaning it does Arithmetic and Logic
AGU = Address Generation Unit?
EX = Execution Unit, and it can have anything in it as long as it executes something?
Edited by Seronx - 7/27/11 at 7:24pm
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I... find myself quite confused by this as well.

EDIT: BTW, where's that photo from? Sources I'm looking at show 2 ALUs and 2 AGUs. Not whatever kind of execution unit the "EX" is and two AGLUs.
Edited by Usario - 7/27/11 at 7:25pm
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