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However in gaming I don't believe they've made any real improvement in per clock/per core performance over Phenom II because most of it was probably lost in the resource sharing.
Bulldozer increases the IPC per integer core from three (Phenom II, Core 2) to four (Nehalem, Sandy Bridge). And gaming isn't really CPU dependent these days. You just need a CPU fast enough that your GPUs won't be bottlenecked.
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I'm wondering when AMD will finally ditch the hideous PGA design and switch to an LGA socket. I absolutely despise PGA, whoever thought all those pins needed to go on the CPU package itself should be shot. It's especially baffling because they've used LGA sockets for the Opterons for years, why not for the desktop too? I was hoping BD would use an LGA socket but NOPE.

Just today I was reminded of my PGA hate when I was repairing and cleaning out my friend's **OLD** socket 478 Pentium 4 rig. Those pins...RAGE. All of my hate.
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And gaming isn't really CPU dependent these days.
Explain that to every Starcraft user then.

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Explain that to every Starcraft user then.

Most games don't show that much of a difference though, a few FPS give or take. And tell me, how many people can notice much of a difference between 45 fps and 65 fps?


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I'm wondering when AMD will finally ditch the hideous PGA design and switch to an LGA socket. I absolutely despise PGA, whoever thought all those pins needed to go on the CPU package itself should be shot. It's especially baffling because they've used LGA sockets for the Opterons for years, why not for the desktop too? I was hoping BD would use an LGA socket but NOPE.

Just today I was reminded of my PGA hate when I was repairing and cleaning out my friend's **OLD** socket 478 Pentium 4 rig. Those pins...RAGE. All of my hate.
I'd rather have bent CPU pins than bent motherboard pins.
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Bulldozer increases the IPC per integer core from three (Phenom II, Core 2) to four (Nehalem, Sandy Bridge). And gaming isn't really CPU dependent these days. You just need a CPU fast enough that your GPUs won't be bottlenecked.

Sadly AMD doesn't offer a cpu that won't bottleneck 470s.

Hopefully AMD can make up some performance in physics and integer performance this time around, so we can see some real benches from AMD users instead of cinebench.
    
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Most games don't show that much of a difference though, a few FPS give or take. And tell me, how many people can notice much of a difference between 45 fps and 65 fps?
Come on.. Don't give me the "How many people can notice" excuse. I know starcraft, wow and Civ V are very cpu dependent games.
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I'm wondering when AMD will finally ditch the hideous PGA design and switch to an LGA socket. I absolutely despise PGA, whoever thought all those pins needed to go on the CPU package itself should be shot. It's especially baffling because they've used LGA sockets for the Opterons for years, why not for the desktop too? I was hoping BD would use an LGA socket but NOPE.

Just today I was reminded of my PGA hate when I was repairing and cleaning out my friend's **OLD** socket 478 Pentium 4 rig. Those pins...RAGE. All of my hate.
They will with Komodo and FM2 platform.
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Come on.. Don't give me the "How many people can notice" excuse. I know starcraft, wow and Civ V are very cpu dependent games.
Also fsx
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It's also a good principle to go by...

I mean why spend $500 on gpu(s) only to get 60% usage out of them?

Because you were too cheap to spring another $30 for a real cpu is not a good excuse.
    
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Come on.. Don't give me the "How many people can notice" excuse. I know starcraft, wow and Civ V are very cpu dependent games.
Great, three games. Most games aren't.

And World of Warcraft... no one needs expensive hardware to play WoW. You'd be fine playing WoW with Llano. I know people who play WoW with Athlons and Pentiums.

And yes, I will give you the "how many people can notice". There's a reason why if you have a 1440x900 monitor you're not going to buy a 2600k and Radeon HD 6990 for gaming. [B]You will not be able to tell the difference/B]. And at 1920x1200, around 90% of people cannot tell the difference between a Phenom II X6 and a 2600k in Starcraft.

Civ 5 is a very intensive game... if you're going to be playing that, I'll say a powerful CPU is quite important.

And Bulldozer will improve on gaming a LOT over Phenom II.
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