Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Video Game News › [EGEF]The Future of Anti-Aliasing
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[EGEF]The Future of Anti-Aliasing - Page 3

post #21 of 56
I didn't know they can change or add AA to games running on consoles.. how are they doing that?
a rig
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
fx-6100 asrock deluxe5 radeon 5850 samsung ddr3 1600 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
3 x hdd nh-d14 win 7 x64 samsung 2053bw 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
ocz 750 haf 912 logitech g9x a mouse pad 
Audio
auzen forte 
  hide details  
Reply
a rig
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
fx-6100 asrock deluxe5 radeon 5850 samsung ddr3 1600 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
3 x hdd nh-d14 win 7 x64 samsung 2053bw 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
ocz 750 haf 912 logitech g9x a mouse pad 
Audio
auzen forte 
  hide details  
Reply
post #22 of 56
Yes, SSAA looks even better than FXAA.

However, it still has similar problems to what FXAA is trying to solve, and high levels of SSAA are extremely slow.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Booty Warrior View Post
If I'm reading that article properly, it allows devs to squeeze better AA performance out of weaker hardware.

I don't see this being much benefit to people who frequent this forum
FXAA is of enormous benefit, even at the high end of the spectrum.

High levels of AA in modern games at high res and details can bring even a top of the line dual-GPU setup to it's knees.
Primary
(15 items)
 
Secondary
(13 items)
 
In progress
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
5820K @ 4.3/3.6GHz core/uncore, 1.225/1.2v Gigabyte X99 SOC Champion (F22n) 2x Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X OC New Edition (10036... 4x4GiB Crucial @ 2667, 12-11-12-27-T1, 1.37v 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Plextor M6e 128GB (fw 1.05) M.2 (PCI-E 2.0 2x) 2x Crucial M4 256GB 4x WD Scorpio Black 500GB Cooler Master Nepton 280L 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1 BenQ BL3200PT Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless (MX Brown) Corsair RM1000x 
CaseMouseAudio
Fractal Design Define R4 Logitech G402 Realtek ALC1150 + M-Audio AV40 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5670 @ 4.4/3.2GHz core/uncore, 1.36 vcore, 1.2... Gigabyte X58A-UD5 r2.0 w/FF3mod10 BIOS Reference R9 290X w/Stilt's MLU 1000e / 1375m E... 2x Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US @ 2000, 10-11-11-30-T1,... 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1x Crucial BLT4G3D1608ET3LX0 @ 2000, 10-11-11-3... OCZ (Toshiba) Trion 150 120GB Hyundai Sapphire 120GB 3x Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000.C 1TB 
CoolingOSPowerCase
Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1 Antec TP-750 Fractal Design R5 
Audio
ASUS Xonar DS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6800K @ 4.3/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.36/1.2v ASRock X99 OC Formula (P3.10) GTX 780 (temporary) 4x4GiB Crucial DDR4-2400 @ 11-13-12-28-T2, 1.33v 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Intel 600p 256GB NVMe 2x HGST Travelstar 7k1000 1TB Corsair H55 (temporary) Windows Server 2016 Datacenter 
PowerCase
Seasonic SS-860XP2 Corsair Carbide Air 540 
  hide details  
Reply
Primary
(15 items)
 
Secondary
(13 items)
 
In progress
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
5820K @ 4.3/3.6GHz core/uncore, 1.225/1.2v Gigabyte X99 SOC Champion (F22n) 2x Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X OC New Edition (10036... 4x4GiB Crucial @ 2667, 12-11-12-27-T1, 1.37v 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Plextor M6e 128GB (fw 1.05) M.2 (PCI-E 2.0 2x) 2x Crucial M4 256GB 4x WD Scorpio Black 500GB Cooler Master Nepton 280L 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1 BenQ BL3200PT Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless (MX Brown) Corsair RM1000x 
CaseMouseAudio
Fractal Design Define R4 Logitech G402 Realtek ALC1150 + M-Audio AV40 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5670 @ 4.4/3.2GHz core/uncore, 1.36 vcore, 1.2... Gigabyte X58A-UD5 r2.0 w/FF3mod10 BIOS Reference R9 290X w/Stilt's MLU 1000e / 1375m E... 2x Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US @ 2000, 10-11-11-30-T1,... 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1x Crucial BLT4G3D1608ET3LX0 @ 2000, 10-11-11-3... OCZ (Toshiba) Trion 150 120GB Hyundai Sapphire 120GB 3x Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000.C 1TB 
CoolingOSPowerCase
Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1 Antec TP-750 Fractal Design R5 
Audio
ASUS Xonar DS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6800K @ 4.3/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.36/1.2v ASRock X99 OC Formula (P3.10) GTX 780 (temporary) 4x4GiB Crucial DDR4-2400 @ 11-13-12-28-T2, 1.33v 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Intel 600p 256GB NVMe 2x HGST Travelstar 7k1000 1TB Corsair H55 (temporary) Windows Server 2016 Datacenter 
PowerCase
Seasonic SS-860XP2 Corsair Carbide Air 540 
  hide details  
Reply
post #23 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by t3haxle View Post
I thought SSAA worked by generating a larger image and then scaling it down? That costs more performance, but in the end the result looks better. I was playing Windwaker with it, and didn't notice any blur.
Gamecube games have low res textures. SSAA works by upsampling the image and then downsamples over the entire image. That upsampling and downsampling blurs everything.
post #24 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riou View Post
Gamecube games have low res textures. SSAA works by upsampling the image and then downsamples over the entire image. That upsampling and downsampling blurs everything.
Ahh thanks, makes more sense now.
Phenom
(6 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
R7 1700 Biostar B350GT5 Sapphire 6950 2GB Dirt 3 Edition 2x8GB G.Skill TridentZ 3200 (2133 downclock) 
Hard DrivePower
250GB Samsung Evo + 120gb Kingston HyperX + 500... Corsair 750tx 
  hide details  
Reply
Phenom
(6 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
R7 1700 Biostar B350GT5 Sapphire 6950 2GB Dirt 3 Edition 2x8GB G.Skill TridentZ 3200 (2133 downclock) 
Hard DrivePower
250GB Samsung Evo + 120gb Kingston HyperX + 500... Corsair 750tx 
  hide details  
Reply
post #25 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by t3haxle View Post
Ahh thanks, makes more sense now.
SSAA can look good if done correctly though. If the developer designs around SSAA, it can be very high quality. However, SSAA is very taxing so sometimes they don't really develop for that and it can look kind of bad at times although it is smooth.
Edited by Riou - 7/27/11 at 9:05am
post #26 of 56
Very interesting article but lol at some of the comments at this link. Console kiddies can't tell the difference between the screen shots First comment even says, "Why is everyone so down on jaggies?"....
FT02
(28 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 990x Gigabyte EX58-UD5 EVGA GTX 1080 Classified 24GB Gskill 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Kingston HyperX Predator PCIE 480GB Crucial MX100 512GB WD RE3 3TB WD Black 750GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Blue 1TB WD Blue 1TB Slim/slot load DVD-RW in slim drive + 4xSSD bay Prolimatech Megahalems, 2x Scythe Ultra Kaze 30... 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Win 10 Pro Acer Predator XB321HK 32" 4k ASUS 24'' Acer 24" 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Razer Blackwidow Chroma EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2 Silverstone Fortress FT02 (limited ed. #913) - ... Razer Diamondback Chroma 
AudioAudioOtherOther
ASUS Xonar DG .51 Sennheiser RS 180 USB 3.0 PCIE card #1 USB 3.0 PCIE card #2 
OtherOtherOther
SATA III PCIE card Oculus Rift CV1 HTC Vive 
  hide details  
Reply
FT02
(28 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 990x Gigabyte EX58-UD5 EVGA GTX 1080 Classified 24GB Gskill 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Kingston HyperX Predator PCIE 480GB Crucial MX100 512GB WD RE3 3TB WD Black 750GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Blue 1TB WD Blue 1TB Slim/slot load DVD-RW in slim drive + 4xSSD bay Prolimatech Megahalems, 2x Scythe Ultra Kaze 30... 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Win 10 Pro Acer Predator XB321HK 32" 4k ASUS 24'' Acer 24" 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Razer Blackwidow Chroma EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2 Silverstone Fortress FT02 (limited ed. #913) - ... Razer Diamondback Chroma 
AudioAudioOtherOther
ASUS Xonar DG .51 Sennheiser RS 180 USB 3.0 PCIE card #1 USB 3.0 PCIE card #2 
OtherOtherOther
SATA III PCIE card Oculus Rift CV1 HTC Vive 
  hide details  
Reply
post #27 of 56
put that in GTA and were good.
Blipper
(20 items)
 
First LEGIT Rig!
(17 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2700K @4.5Ghz (1.32v) Asus Maximus V Extreme Asus Strix GTX 1080 OC Edition Kingston HyperX 8GB 1866 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Kingston HyperX 8GB 1866 Samsung Evo 840 500GB Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM Western Digital Black 1TB 7200RPM 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
ASUS DRW-24B1ST Corsair H100i Windows 10 Professional Dell Gaming S2716DG 27" 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
BenQ GW2760HS 27" BenQ GW2760HS 27" Ducky Shine II (Red LED,Cherry MX Blue) CORSAIR Professional Series Gold AX850  
CaseMouseAudioOther
Corsair 650D Logitech G502 Yamaha R-v703 w/ Yamaha Monitors Obbuto Revolution for Desk/Cockpit 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 P45 Neo-F (MS-7519) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460  Value Ram 
RAMRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
Value Ram  Value Ram Western Digital Blue some DVDRW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsair A70 Win 7 Ultimate 64bit Samsung SyncMaster T260 26" Steelseries 6Gv2 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec TruePower 550 Haf 912 Razer Lachesis Razer Goliathus 
Audio
Yamaha R-V703 w/ ATH-M50 
  hide details  
Reply
Blipper
(20 items)
 
First LEGIT Rig!
(17 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2700K @4.5Ghz (1.32v) Asus Maximus V Extreme Asus Strix GTX 1080 OC Edition Kingston HyperX 8GB 1866 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Kingston HyperX 8GB 1866 Samsung Evo 840 500GB Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM Western Digital Black 1TB 7200RPM 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
ASUS DRW-24B1ST Corsair H100i Windows 10 Professional Dell Gaming S2716DG 27" 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
BenQ GW2760HS 27" BenQ GW2760HS 27" Ducky Shine II (Red LED,Cherry MX Blue) CORSAIR Professional Series Gold AX850  
CaseMouseAudioOther
Corsair 650D Logitech G502 Yamaha R-v703 w/ Yamaha Monitors Obbuto Revolution for Desk/Cockpit 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 P45 Neo-F (MS-7519) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460  Value Ram 
RAMRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
Value Ram  Value Ram Western Digital Blue some DVDRW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsair A70 Win 7 Ultimate 64bit Samsung SyncMaster T260 26" Steelseries 6Gv2 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec TruePower 550 Haf 912 Razer Lachesis Razer Goliathus 
Audio
Yamaha R-V703 w/ ATH-M50 
  hide details  
Reply
post #28 of 56
i think FXAA > MLAA.
Dream PC
(17 items)
 
Surface Pro 3
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
INTEL Core i7 6700K ASUS Maximus VIII Hero Z170 MSI Geforce GTX 980 Ti Gaming 6G G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 series 16GB DDR4 3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
SAMSUNG SM951 NVMe 512GB SAMSUNG 850 EVO 1TB COOLER MASTER Nepton 280L MICROSOFT Windows 10 Pro x64 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
BENQ XL2420TE DELL UltraSharp U2415 WASD V2 custom CORSAIR HX850i 
CaseMouseAudioOther
NZXT H440 white CORSAIR Vengeance M95 CREATIVE Sound Blaster Z CPU Delid 
Other
LED Lighting 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 4300U Microsoft Surface Intel HD Graphics 4400 8 GB DDR3L 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardMouse
256 GB SSD Windows 10 Pro x64 Surface Pro 4 Type Cover with Fingerprint ID Microsoft Arc Mouse Surface Edition 
  hide details  
Reply
Dream PC
(17 items)
 
Surface Pro 3
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
INTEL Core i7 6700K ASUS Maximus VIII Hero Z170 MSI Geforce GTX 980 Ti Gaming 6G G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 series 16GB DDR4 3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
SAMSUNG SM951 NVMe 512GB SAMSUNG 850 EVO 1TB COOLER MASTER Nepton 280L MICROSOFT Windows 10 Pro x64 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
BENQ XL2420TE DELL UltraSharp U2415 WASD V2 custom CORSAIR HX850i 
CaseMouseAudioOther
NZXT H440 white CORSAIR Vengeance M95 CREATIVE Sound Blaster Z CPU Delid 
Other
LED Lighting 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 4300U Microsoft Surface Intel HD Graphics 4400 8 GB DDR3L 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardMouse
256 GB SSD Windows 10 Pro x64 Surface Pro 4 Type Cover with Fingerprint ID Microsoft Arc Mouse Surface Edition 
  hide details  
Reply
post #29 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by noak View Post
Can people please get off aa and move on to higher DPI and resolution because thats what actually makes a difference in image quality
That really is a matter of opinion. I will drop one notch of resolution over turning AA off. Though as long as I can get 2X I will of course have the max res I can get...which currently is the standard 1920x1080 which is starting to get really boring
My System
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
2600K @ 4.7GHz Asus P8P67 B3 GTX 580 EVGA Hydro Copper 2 GTX 580 EVGA  
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveOS
4x4GB G.Skill Ripjaws bunch of 'em Blu-Ray For movies Windows 8.1 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
24.4" Hans G HH251 X2 Yamakasi DS270  Blah 1000watt Super Flower 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Built into Desk Microsoft SideWinder X8 Comfy one... Creative Extreme Gamer 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
2600K @ 4.7GHz Asus P8P67 B3 GTX 580 EVGA Hydro Copper 2 GTX 580 EVGA  
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveOS
4x4GB G.Skill Ripjaws bunch of 'em Blu-Ray For movies Windows 8.1 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
24.4" Hans G HH251 X2 Yamakasi DS270  Blah 1000watt Super Flower 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Built into Desk Microsoft SideWinder X8 Comfy one... Creative Extreme Gamer 
  hide details  
Reply
post #30 of 56
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PoopaScoopa View Post
[H] did a review on this also:

Too bad it has to be done by the developers and can't be done afterwards like MLAA.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mothergoose729 View Post
That is really impressive. FXAA looked better and performed better in all of those instances.
Yeah! Wow! FXAA does look better than all of those, and performs better than MLAA. Impressive, although they did not add MLAA to the visual boxes
But why does the disadvantages of FXAA look so profound on that one example of Enslaved? It's odd.

And for some reason, I can't see MLAA making that much of a performance impact as opposed to FXAA. I haven't seen that in other games, at least to the extent that FEAR 3 has. Odd.
Though, consoles can be quite different though than the PC comparisons all of these are making too in terms of performance. Developers have better and more controlled ways of implementing them in games in different formats too. IIRC: GoW3 had a different MLAA method than Killzone 3, especially with SPU distribution.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecchi-BANZAII!!! View Post
That is why we must kill the 1080p fad.
It's hindering development.
"1080p fad"?
Oh come now Ecchi. Consoles can barely do 720p properly, and you want to push beyond 1080p? Not to mention, just like the whole DX10 and DX11 distrabution, are developers really concerned with pushing more pixels as opposed to image quality when the majority of users don't have screens that have such resolutions?
1080p is the industry standard and we dont even get to use it correctly especially when most games dont even do 1080p properly even on the PC due to texture sizes (cough Mass Effect 2). And then virtually no one outside the enthusiast community owns screen(s) that go higher other than 1920x1200, so why even bother with that when there are more pressing issues to attend? There is one thing to want more or better of, but you can only expect and do so much at one time.

Visual quality @ 720p or 1080p > Pushing more pixels. For the time being.
Edited by OmegaNemesis28 - 7/27/11 at 1:30pm
Nemesis NE-α
(15 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 4790k (Devil's Canyon) AsRock Z97 Extreme 4 Visiontek AMD 6990 Corsair XMS3 DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung EVO 840 XSPC Raystorm Windows 8.1 Dell U2311H 1920x1080 IPS 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Dell U2311H 1920x1080 IPS Dell U2311H 1920x1080 IPS Ducky Blue Overclock.net Themed Mechanical Keyb... Corsair Silver 1kw  
CaseMouseAudio
Case Labs TH10 Logitech G502 Logitech 5.1 speakers w/ Onkyo Receiver 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Xeon W3520 i7 4.0ghz EVGA X58 Classified Visiontek 6990 GSkill 6GB DDR3 Pi 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
2x OCZ Vertex 60GB SSD ; 2x 1TB ; 2x 2TB Samsung BluRay Burner Windows 7 Ultimate 64x 3x Dell U2311H 23" 1080p IPS 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard SilverStone Strider 1000w Modular Power Supply Lian Li V2000 Plus Logitech G9 Gaming Laser Mouse 
Mouse Pad
Cyba Sniper Tracer (Acrylic Glass) 
  hide details  
Reply
Nemesis NE-α
(15 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 4790k (Devil's Canyon) AsRock Z97 Extreme 4 Visiontek AMD 6990 Corsair XMS3 DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung EVO 840 XSPC Raystorm Windows 8.1 Dell U2311H 1920x1080 IPS 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Dell U2311H 1920x1080 IPS Dell U2311H 1920x1080 IPS Ducky Blue Overclock.net Themed Mechanical Keyb... Corsair Silver 1kw  
CaseMouseAudio
Case Labs TH10 Logitech G502 Logitech 5.1 speakers w/ Onkyo Receiver 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Xeon W3520 i7 4.0ghz EVGA X58 Classified Visiontek 6990 GSkill 6GB DDR3 Pi 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
2x OCZ Vertex 60GB SSD ; 2x 1TB ; 2x 2TB Samsung BluRay Burner Windows 7 Ultimate 64x 3x Dell U2311H 23" 1080p IPS 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard SilverStone Strider 1000w Modular Power Supply Lian Li V2000 Plus Logitech G9 Gaming Laser Mouse 
Mouse Pad
Cyba Sniper Tracer (Acrylic Glass) 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Video Game News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Video Game News › [EGEF]The Future of Anti-Aliasing