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Did i miss something besides his prediction not coming true?

No, it's just that his prediction didn't come true. lol
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For those that claim ipc improvements from ivy bridge, have you actually read those words anywhere on a reliable site? Note there is a big difference between "20% more performance" and actual ipc increase. That performance is easily accounted for by clock speed increases. The most intel has improved on a die shrink in recent memory is between 65nm and 45nm core 2 chips, and that was like 5-10%, mostly around 5. I wouldn't hope for a 6 core ivy bridge on 1155 either, at least not until s2011 gets an 8 core.
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Originally Posted by cky2k6;14514292 
For those that claim ipc improvements from ivy bridge, have you actually read those words anywhere on a reliable site? Note there is a big difference between "20% more performance" and actual ipc increase. That performance is easily accounted for by clock speed increases. The most intel has improved on a die shrink in recent memory is between 65nm and 45nm core 2 chips, and that was like 5-10%, mostly around 5. I wouldn't hope for a 6 core ivy bridge on 1155 either, at least not until s2011 gets an 8 core.

I doubt anyone could've said it better.
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For those that claim ipc improvements from ivy bridge, have you actually read those words anywhere on a reliable site? Note there is a big difference between "20% more performance" and actual ipc increase. That performance is easily accounted for by clock speed increases. The most intel has improved on a die shrink in recent memory is between 65nm and 45nm core 2 chips, and that was like 5-10%, mostly around 5. I wouldn't hope for a 6 core ivy bridge on 1155 either, at least not until s2011 gets an 8 core.

There was a test of an Ivy ES sample compared against an i5 chip.

The Ivy was a 2 core chip with hyperthreading on and a poor clock rate while the i5 was a 4 core chip clocked down to meet the Ivy chip.

If you applied some math to the benchmark to derive comparable performance figures (ie: reverse engineering the hyperthreading gains, etc) you came up with numbers to indicate that Ivy Bridge is a 10-20% IPC gain over Sandy Bridge.

The test was on Tom's a while back.
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If anything AMD did a controlled leak of terrible engineering samples just to shock Intel when BD actually comes out. Otherwise I doubt Intel's seen anything.

amd needs to supply 3rd parties with samples so they can develop stuff for them, it would be just incredibly simple for something with as deep pockets as intel to get to an "understanding" with with one of these parties if they wanted to
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For those that claim ipc improvements from ivy bridge, have you actually read those words anywhere on a reliable site? Note there is a big difference between "20% more performance" and actual ipc increase. That performance is easily accounted for by clock speed increases. The most intel has improved on a die shrink in recent memory is between 65nm and 45nm core 2 chips, and that was like 5-10%, mostly around 5. I wouldn't hope for a 6 core ivy bridge on 1155 either, at least not until s2011 gets an 8 core.

They tested an ivy es dual core vs an i3 at the same clocks. Pretty hard to fake that.
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Bulldozer feels like old news/tech and its not even been released yet
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No where in this chart does it say anything about cores.

EDIT: Also this is OCN enough is never enogh. smile.gif

If the game's threads weren't being bottlenecked by the core(s) they were running on, OCing that core wouldn't give you more FPS since the CPU isn't holding the thread back at all and the FPS is dependent on the graphics card at that point.

There's a reason why AvP didn't see any benefit from overclocking the CPU. It wasn't CPU bottlenecked, it was GPU bottlenecked. If Resident Evil 5 had a CPU with stronger IPC, you wouldn't get any more FPS from OCing the CPU; you'd need to OC the GPU. Resident Evil 5/Starcraft 2/World of Warcraft are example of games that require higher IPC. SC2 is limited by it's main-thread which is why you see so many complaints about FPS in the AMD section of the forums.

The point is: fewer cores with higher IPC > more cores with lower IPC
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Bulldozer feels like old news/tech and its not even been released yet

BD does not have to be faster. It has to be a good base to improve on. Look at what happened to ATi when 8800GTX/GTS hit. They could not get anything fast enough but after HD 4800 ATi started closing the gap and surprising Nvidia. Now they fight neck to neck. The way i see it if BD does not pull them out they will probably focus on APUs.
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