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I recently installed the new ASUS M5A97 EVO and 8GB of new ram in my rig, with the 555BE I already had (BD placemarker wink.gif) . I have the 555 running at a respectable 3.997 Ghz using the UEFI Auto-Overclock and am happy with that. I am not satisfied with the memory performance though. What settings should I try with the 249 Mhz clcok speed I have? I am a newb with the memory settings, so a thorough explanation would be greatly appreciated. The second issue relating to memory that I have is that XP will only recognize 3,1 GB of memory. I know that XP has a 4 GB limit, but why will it only use 3.1?

Hwinfo072711_memory1.jpg

SE_0727_memory1.jpg

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Another question is: Why do posts in this sub-forum not show in the main active thread area? This is like posting in the cellar and hoping somebody wanders in here and filps on the light.
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I would say your bad memory performance is coming from the memory controller on the CPU, the phenom II memory controllers are really slow compared to intel, so you should see a big jump in speed when you move to BD. Also another thing is try and get your NB speed up to like 2.7ghz or so, that will help.
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Originally Posted by thrasherht;14364764 
I would say your bad memory performance is coming from the memory controller on the CPU, the phenom II memory controllers are really slow compared to intel, so you should see a big jump in speed when you move to BD. Also another thing is try and get your NB speed up to like 2.7ghz or so, that will help.

Perhaps, but the previous setup I was running with similar GSKILL RAM (4GB) with this same 555BE performed great. I know most people dont use HWinfo, but just to get an idea of the performance difference I was getting around a HWinfo 4200 memory rating with my old RAM, and now it rates around 3500. I can even see a bit of hesitation in a couple of the heavier games I have tried and never saw any with the other...

Edit to add: I am not familiar with adjusting the NB speed.I am guessing the 1600 Mhz I am showing is dismally low. I know where it is in the BIOS, but I am wondering if manually changing it will affect my ASUS Auto-OC?
Edited by Jagged_Steel - 7/27/11 at 8:15am
    
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Update: I decided to go ahead and experient with my NB settings and here are the results:

Hwinfo072711_memory2.jpg

As you can see, my NB is now running at 2000 Mhz. I tried several settings above 2000, and all of them showed as 2000 after booting. I do not know why it does that, but you can now see that my Memory has auto-changed its timings and now my memory is clocking in @ 4394 Mb/s, up from around 3500! Is this "good" or can this be improved upon further? I have not yet tried out any games to see if the slight hesitation is gone, but everything I have fired up thus far seems a little bit "peppier". Thank you for the NB tip Thrasher(+rep:thumb:), that turned out to be the fix even though I am pretty much blindly trying settings not really knowing exactly what they all mean.

So now the only memory issue I would like to resolve is the XP not seeing a full 4GB problem. I saw something about this here a few days ago, but my searches have thus far have come up blank. Is this something that can be fixed? Will XP go ahead and use 4GB if it needs to , even though it does not register? I have not had a low memory issue with any games yet, but I certainly want this rig to perform to its full potential.
Edited by Jagged_Steel - 7/27/11 at 9:29am
    
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Try MaxxMem2 (you can find it on hwbot)

Use CPU-Z to show your NB clock. It seems to work better than anything else.

XP is 32-bit and limited to 4GB total RAM. Due to other hardware reserving addresses you get less than 4GB.

Time to upgrade OS wink.gif
Edited by linkin93 - 7/27/11 at 9:30am
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Try MaxxMem2 (you can find it on hwbot)

Use CPU-Z to show your NB clock. It seems to work better than anything else.

XP is 32-bit and limited to 4GB total RAM. Due to other hardware reserving addresses you get less than 4GB.

Time to upgrade OS wink.gif

Thanks for the info. I actually have (had) CPU-z and MaxxMemm, but they do not want to function from the copy of my old install, and when I tried to get them from MajorGeeks this morning their site seems stuck in the mud so I gave up for now. As for upgrading the OS, I actually already have a dual-boot with XP PRO/Win7 Ultimate 64 bit. I have a lot of legacy games that just plain old work better with XP, so I will probably be staying with this setup for a while.

I am curios what hardware would be reserving adresses? Is this something that I can fix/change? Can I for instance tell this hardware somehow to use the 4GB that XP is not using? My knowledge about this is obviously quite limited so any info anybody has however small will be appreciated.
Edited by Jagged_Steel - 7/27/11 at 9:43am
    
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What does maxxmem give you? The 4354MB/s or so in that other benchmark is very low, though such result could be benchmark-specific.
Being generic 1333 @ 9-9-9 or 1066 @ 7-7-7, don't expect the best results.
Edited by xd_1771 - 7/27/11 at 3:29pm
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Not sure what the HWinfo score is using for scale, it must be some sort of average of the read abd write speeds.

Here is the MaxxMEM score:

MaxxMem_01.jpg

Is this reading good? Or is there room for improvement here?

Edit to add: Maxxmem is also showing the actual NB speed that I set. I going to log back on to Win7 and see if everything rates the same.
Edited by Jagged_Steel - 7/27/11 at 6:13pm
    
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Update:

Here is the reading when logged on with Win7:

MaxxMEM2_Win7_01.jpg

Everything runs a bit slower on 7. No idea why.

Here is the exact memory I have:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231308

BrandG.SKILL
SeriesRipjaws Series
ModelF3-8500CL7D-8GBRL
Type240-Pin DDR3 SDRAMTech Spec
Capacity8GB (2 x 4GB)
SpeedDDR3 1066 (PC3 8500)
Cas Latency7
Timing7-7-7-18
Voltage1.5V
ECCNo
Buffered/RegisteredUnbuffered

I do not understand exactly what the timings mean, but the little that I know leads me to believe that this memory should be running a heck of a lot faster.
I had monkeyed around a bit with mt last board (Biostar A870U3 and 4 gigs of memory) but only was able to get marginal increases at best. With the new UEFI BIOS on this ASUS I have yet to figure out where I actually change the individual timings, let alone what they should be.
Edited by Jagged_Steel - 7/27/11 at 7:18pm
    
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Update:
OK, I managed to figure out where the settings for the memory timings are in the UEFI BIOS. If you are a future reader and are wondering this as well, they are located in the lower part of the "AI tweak" tab and you get there by scrolling down with either the mouse or by using the side bar. I have no idea what these settings actually mean, but from what I have gleaned at OCN the primary settings are the first 4. The Auto memory tuner set them @ 9-9-9-24. The "factory rating" of these says "7-7-7-18", so i tried plugging those in for my first experiment. I beleive that using smaller numbers here is reffered to as "tightening' the timings, is this correct? Here is the MaxxMem readout at these settings. Also note that I have now managed to get the NB to run @ 2748.

MaxxMEM2_NB2748_777_18.jpg

The Write speed is quite a bit faster, but the Copy and Read ratings are lower. The Latency is a bit higher (worse) as well. I think this is due to the decreased DRAM frequency- down from 666 to 499(1332 to 998). I was unable to get the memory to function (black screen) when I tried the next higher memory speed setting (1300ish rather than 998) with these new timing and NB settings. Is this related to the higher NB setting? Can someone explain this to me? Any pointers as to what settings I should try next? I am completely poking around in the dark here.
Edited by Jagged_Steel - 7/28/11 at 5:09am
    
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