Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Technology and Science News › [TS] Industry veteran: LimeWire pirates were iTunes’ best customers
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[TS] Industry veteran: LimeWire pirates were iTunes’ best customers - Page 3  

post #21 of 108
It's funny how people will discount any claims against piracy yet cheer lead any claims made for it.

Which ever side you champion, you are admitting that piracy does in fact effect sales figures so it wouldn't be a stretch to say that they adversely effect them as well. Privateers spending more on legal content is truly a testament to the fact that there is demand, thus potential profit and is the sole reason why we have intrusive DRM.

However, I still don't feel piracy is justified because they spend more on legal content. Conversely, I don't believe the rich should have more rights than the average citizens because 80% of taxes comes from just 1% of society.

Po' Pimpin'
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
i5 2500k @ stock Biostar TZ68K+ [A3] 4GB  Sandforce 1222 64GB SSD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG 22x DVD-+RW  Stock Windows 7 x64 Acer S211HL 1080p 
PowerCaseMouse
600w Diablotek Linkworld Electronic Inland 
  hide details  
Po' Pimpin'
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
i5 2500k @ stock Biostar TZ68K+ [A3] 4GB  Sandforce 1222 64GB SSD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG 22x DVD-+RW  Stock Windows 7 x64 Acer S211HL 1080p 
PowerCaseMouse
600w Diablotek Linkworld Electronic Inland 
  hide details  
post #22 of 108
Buying a single song seems like a waste to me, I use Youtube, who else does?
post #23 of 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by RonindeBeatrice View Post
This is outside the scope of the argument whether pirated content represents a lost sale.
Your analogy should be I came to the store and bought 2 candy bars then went home and duplicated them 100 times and gave them out for free. Obviously its bad for your business but you cant lose a sale from something that you weren’t selling.
Edited by cdesewell - 7/27/11 at 11:05am
Troublechild
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II 955 X4 ASUS M4A88TD-M EVO/USB3 MSI ATI 5670 1GB 4GB DDR3 1333 (2x2GB) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Western Digital Caviar 640 GB 7200 RPM SATA3 DVD+RW Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit/Debian 86_64 Samsung 20" 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech wireless Arctic 500 Stock Logitech wireless 
  hide details  
Troublechild
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II 955 X4 ASUS M4A88TD-M EVO/USB3 MSI ATI 5670 1GB 4GB DDR3 1333 (2x2GB) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Western Digital Caviar 640 GB 7200 RPM SATA3 DVD+RW Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit/Debian 86_64 Samsung 20" 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech wireless Arctic 500 Stock Logitech wireless 
  hide details  
post #24 of 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForumViewer View Post
lol, debate settled. Pictures of CDs on shelves. So even if you did download all of those prior to buying, you were still likely seeding ALL of them at some point, either while downloading or post facto. Guess who the RIAA and the like do after first?? Your pictures settle nothing.
Interestingly enough, if you think about how seeding works (dependant on user's upload rate and downloader's download rate) The amount of an album that can be uploaded prior to download finishing is negligable when downloading an album of MP3s (and any other type of torrent). This is due to the fact that DL rates are more often than not higher, and substantially at that, than the UL rate.

This means that is quite likely, while you're DLing a 100MB album, that you'll only seed 1 or 2 songs (assuming 4MB per song) This also assumes you stop seeding immediatly after the DL finishes because most torrent programs require a seed connection while the DL is in progress.

Simply a statement of fact. I am not trying to disprove your claim or anything. I just thought that this is pertinant information.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cdesewell View Post
Your analogy should be I came to the store and bought 2 candy bars then went home and duplicated them 100 times and gave them out for free. Obviously its bad for your business but you cant lose a sale from something that you weren’t selling.
This is where the debate gets very grey because that analogy is also incorrect to an extent. It's incorrect because to duplicate a candy bar you have to put in labor and materials. Where as in file sharing, you simply put in the time to Download the file for your use and the torrent program takes care of the rest.

The reason it is correct is regarding "...you cant lose a sale from something that you weren’t selling." This is true, but wrong. Suppose you sell those candy bars and becuase you make them better than the original one that you bought (assuming same materials, labor and price) the only thing that changes is satifaction gained from eating your candy bar which is greater than your original purchase. Now suppose customer from the original candy shop hear of your better candy bar for the same price - he starts to lose sales.

The same can be said for filesharing, however, since you are not dealing with a medium that is physically present is can not be completely relevant. And becuase the analogy with the candy bar requires a purchase from every 'user', where filesharing does not.
Edited by SI51 - 7/27/11 at 11:29am
My System
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 3570k asus p8z77-i deluxe EVGA GTX 970 Samsung Electronics Extreme Low Voltage 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
M4 SSD Noctua NH-C14S W10 x64 Dell 4k  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
ErgoDox EZ Silverstone ST45SF-G Custom build acrylic Logitech G700 
  hide details  
My System
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 3570k asus p8z77-i deluxe EVGA GTX 970 Samsung Electronics Extreme Low Voltage 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
M4 SSD Noctua NH-C14S W10 x64 Dell 4k  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
ErgoDox EZ Silverstone ST45SF-G Custom build acrylic Logitech G700 
  hide details  
post #25 of 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by assaulth3ro911 View Post
Buying a single song seems like a waste to me, I use Youtube, who else does?
You obviously don't care about quality then xD
Yuki
(20 items)
 
Illya
(20 items)
 
Neptunia
(12 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 2500K 5Ghz ASUS P8P67 Pro EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3 G.Skill RipJaws X 2133Mhz 16GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
240GB Corsair Neutron GTX RAID0 Samsung 850 Evo 1TB WD Red 8TB Corsair H115i GTX 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
EK Vardar fans Windows 10 Dell u2713hm Apple Cinema Display 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Razer BlackWidow 2013 CoolerMaster V1000 Corsair 760T Artic White Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
CoolerMaster Swift-RX XL ASUS Xonar DX Schiit Magni Sennheiser HD650 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 Skylake-E X190 Nvidia Titan Volta 32GB 3200Mhz DDR4 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 960 Pro 512GB Samsung 850 Evo 1TB 8TB WD Red Corsair H115i GTX 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
EK Vardar fans Windows 10 Dell u2713hm Apple Cinema Display 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky Shine CoolerMaster V1000 Corsair 760T Artic White Logitech G502 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
CoolerMaster Swift-RX XL Asus Xonar DX Schiit Magni Sennhesier HD650 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5 6600 3.3Ghz Asus Z170M Pro AMD RX460 G.Skill 16GB 2133Mhz 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Samsung 850 M.2 256GB Windows 10 Dell S2817Q 4K Ducky Shine 3 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
CoolerMaster Vanguard 450W BitFenix Phenom Logitech G700S CoolerMaster Swift-RX 
  hide details  
Yuki
(20 items)
 
Illya
(20 items)
 
Neptunia
(12 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 2500K 5Ghz ASUS P8P67 Pro EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3 G.Skill RipJaws X 2133Mhz 16GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
240GB Corsair Neutron GTX RAID0 Samsung 850 Evo 1TB WD Red 8TB Corsair H115i GTX 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
EK Vardar fans Windows 10 Dell u2713hm Apple Cinema Display 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Razer BlackWidow 2013 CoolerMaster V1000 Corsair 760T Artic White Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
CoolerMaster Swift-RX XL ASUS Xonar DX Schiit Magni Sennheiser HD650 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 Skylake-E X190 Nvidia Titan Volta 32GB 3200Mhz DDR4 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 960 Pro 512GB Samsung 850 Evo 1TB 8TB WD Red Corsair H115i GTX 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
EK Vardar fans Windows 10 Dell u2713hm Apple Cinema Display 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky Shine CoolerMaster V1000 Corsair 760T Artic White Logitech G502 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
CoolerMaster Swift-RX XL Asus Xonar DX Schiit Magni Sennhesier HD650 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5 6600 3.3Ghz Asus Z170M Pro AMD RX460 G.Skill 16GB 2133Mhz 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Samsung 850 M.2 256GB Windows 10 Dell S2817Q 4K Ducky Shine 3 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
CoolerMaster Vanguard 450W BitFenix Phenom Logitech G700S CoolerMaster Swift-RX 
  hide details  
post #26 of 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by assaulth3ro911 View Post
Buying a single song seems like a waste to me, I use Youtube, who else does?
Using youtube for music is not something I'd recommend or enjoy - I appreciate quality
poo
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 920 Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P Sapphire HD 5850 8GB G.Skill PI Black 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
~13 TB Samsung SH-S223L Win7 Pro x64 Dell U2412M 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch Corsair HX620 Corsair 650D Logitech G400 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Puretrak Talent Yamaha RX-V795 Energy RC-10 Audio Technica ATH-AD700 
Audio
Chrysalis Bassmatrix-10 
  hide details  
poo
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 920 Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P Sapphire HD 5850 8GB G.Skill PI Black 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
~13 TB Samsung SH-S223L Win7 Pro x64 Dell U2412M 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch Corsair HX620 Corsair 650D Logitech G400 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Puretrak Talent Yamaha RX-V795 Energy RC-10 Audio Technica ATH-AD700 
Audio
Chrysalis Bassmatrix-10 
  hide details  
post #27 of 108
There will always be people who pirate or steal and not pay for a thing if they have that option.
However I believe most people are willing to reward quality with their hard earned cash. This notion that everyone who pirates a song or a game is a criminal who is bringing about the downfall of entire industries is silly. In the end, the only people who really suffer from internet piracy are the producers of sub-par products.
The Al Bundy
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-4440 Asrock H87 Pro4 MSI RX 480 4GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3 PC3-12800 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial M4 64 SSD Samsung F4EG 2 TB WD 1TB Blue Samsung CDDVDW SH-S223F 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Xigmatek HDT-S1283 Windows 10 x64 Samsung C24FG70 Antec HCP-750 
CaseMouseAudio
Cooler Master Storm Sniper Trust GXT 155 Creative Soundblaster Z 
  hide details  
The Al Bundy
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-4440 Asrock H87 Pro4 MSI RX 480 4GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3 PC3-12800 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Crucial M4 64 SSD Samsung F4EG 2 TB WD 1TB Blue Samsung CDDVDW SH-S223F 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Xigmatek HDT-S1283 Windows 10 x64 Samsung C24FG70 Antec HCP-750 
CaseMouseAudio
Cooler Master Storm Sniper Trust GXT 155 Creative Soundblaster Z 
  hide details  
post #28 of 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForumViewer View Post
The only time anyone pays for something they've illegally obtained is when online content, like multiplayer, is disabled or unusable because it's a pirated copy of software.

No one does that with music. It doesn't make sense and people aren't that honest. Just my opinion.
I've seen many people use piracy to demo content. Not all pirates are straight up pirates. And the only people I know who are straight up pirates don't have the money to buy the content anyways.

Bottom line : This situation is complicated and there is no one profile that fits all pirates. The only constant pattern I can really see is that poor people won't buy stuff. Go figure.
Lee XT
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-6300 Asus M5A97 SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7850 AMD 4GB DDR3 1333MHZ 
RAMRAMRAMHard Drive
AMD 4GB DDR3 1333MHZ AMD 4GB DDR3 1333MHZ AMD 4GB DDR3 1333MHZ OCZ Vertex 4 256GB 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsair H80 Windows 8.1 Pro MCE Dell P2414H WHXV7  Microsoft Generic 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Ultra 600W Limited Edition NZXT Black Steel Razer Deathadder Razer Goliath 
Audio
Realtek HD Audio 
  hide details  
Lee XT
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-6300 Asus M5A97 SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7850 AMD 4GB DDR3 1333MHZ 
RAMRAMRAMHard Drive
AMD 4GB DDR3 1333MHZ AMD 4GB DDR3 1333MHZ AMD 4GB DDR3 1333MHZ OCZ Vertex 4 256GB 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsair H80 Windows 8.1 Pro MCE Dell P2414H WHXV7  Microsoft Generic 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Ultra 600W Limited Edition NZXT Black Steel Razer Deathadder Razer Goliath 
Audio
Realtek HD Audio 
  hide details  
post #29 of 108
This thread is deteriorating quickly.

Quote:
Originally Posted by guyladouche View Post
Commentary/opinion of this guy is illogical. The jump is made that limewire users were essentially practicing "try before you buy," and then ended up spending money on itunes, which attempts to lend validity to illegal file-acquiring. Well it just so happens that itunes has a nice 30-60 second preview/sample for all of their songs. So it completely invalidates the hokey argument that people were simply practicing "try before you buy" via limewire. You could just as easily "try before you buy" via itunes. A 30-60 second clip of a song should be more than enough to convince you to buy/not buy it.

Disagreements with the recording industry aside, there's no way you can logically argue that under current laws, illegal file sharing cannot be deemed "wrong" in terms of the law, regardless of the reason it's done.
I rather listen to the whole song before I buy. I tend to listen to a majority of the songs on youtube before I make a choice to purchase the whole album. And then I go buy the CD so I can rip it to whatever file format I want.
Lil Burninator
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770K ASUS Gryphon CF R9 290Xs Samsung 4x4GB 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung EVO 1TB 2x 240s | 360 | MPC35X | Mostly BP W7 Pre x64 XL2720T 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
K70 AX1200 CaseLabs S5 + Ped G700/Mamba 
Mouse PadAudio
Vespula WA7 + KRK RP6s + HD650s 
  hide details  
Lil Burninator
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770K ASUS Gryphon CF R9 290Xs Samsung 4x4GB 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung EVO 1TB 2x 240s | 360 | MPC35X | Mostly BP W7 Pre x64 XL2720T 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
K70 AX1200 CaseLabs S5 + Ped G700/Mamba 
Mouse PadAudio
Vespula WA7 + KRK RP6s + HD650s 
  hide details  
post #30 of 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForumViewer View Post
The only time anyone pays for something they've illegally obtained is when online content, like multiplayer, is disabled or unusable because it's a pirated copy of software.
Facts say otherwise. What now?

Stating what you did, and afterwards saying that it's simply your opinion does not make any sense without anything to back it up. Unless of course your actual opinion is based on absolutely nothing whatsoever, in which case I can't stop you.
The Beast
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500k @ 4.8GHz (1.40v) ASUS P8P67-M PRO Sapphire HD 6950 2GB 8GB Ripjaws-X 1600Mhz 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Samsung SpinPoint 500GB @ 7200RPM Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Dell 24" UltraSharp U2412M IPS Steelseries 7G 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX 850W Xion (white) Steelseries Xai Steelseries 9HD 
Audio
Sennheiser HD 650 w/ Fiio E7+E9 
  hide details  
The Beast
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500k @ 4.8GHz (1.40v) ASUS P8P67-M PRO Sapphire HD 6950 2GB 8GB Ripjaws-X 1600Mhz 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Samsung SpinPoint 500GB @ 7200RPM Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Dell 24" UltraSharp U2412M IPS Steelseries 7G 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX 850W Xion (white) Steelseries Xai Steelseries 9HD 
Audio
Sennheiser HD 650 w/ Fiio E7+E9 
  hide details  
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Technology and Science News
This thread is locked  
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Technology and Science News › [TS] Industry veteran: LimeWire pirates were iTunes’ best customers