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The pirates that do this love music. The people that won't bother pirating music... Rarely like it enough to pay for it. A 30 second clip IS NOT enough to know if you are going to fork $20 out for an album you may not enjoy after the novelty of one play through is done. The same way you can see the trailer for a movie, and think it's great, and then realize upon watching that it was total garbage.

If you like something, you buy it, simple. If you are never going to buy it, it's because you never could afford it in the first place. So WHERE IS THE LOST SALE HERE???

The media companies simply want people to make their mistakes WITH THERE MONEY instead of being able to buy only what they think is good. The days of buying albums and movies that you do not like are over, and they hate that. THEY ARE THE CROOKS, NOT THE PIRATES.

The download doesn't come with the CD, the complete album art, the credits, PLUS a GOOD digital copy (vs the crap that comes on iTunes let alone The Pirate Bay or some such site) which is why, if you like it, you buy it. If your stuff is good, you will make money.

You think Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, Eminem, or Jay-Z are broke because of illegal downloads? NO. Metallica shut down Napster with that lawsuit because their albums were selling worse than they ever had at the time. Now that they are in the Top 100 again where are they in the fight against piracy?

Nowhere. They are on tour, selling albums, making money, because the music is good again. Same with Avenged Sevenfold. I should know, I saw them BOTH last year. After downloading the albums and realizing they were great, not only did I buy the CD's, I went to the Metallica Concert that came to Sacramento in December 09 and the Rockstar Festival that headlined Avenged Sevenfold in July or August of 2010. Wow, THEY LOST SO MUCH MONEY ON ME DOWNLOADING THOSE ALBUMS.
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Then you shouldn't get it. Plain and simple, you can't afford it, so why steal it? Some innocent worker is getting food taken off their plate because of your selfishness, little child.
REALLY?

He couldn't afford it... So he never would have bought it...

He still can't afford it, so he still never bought it...

Where is the money that was lost?
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REALLY?

He couldn't afford it... So he never would have bought it...

He still can't afford it, so he still never bought it...

Where is the money that was lost?
His point was about entitlement, not profit.

just because you don't intend on buying something or don't have the money for something doesn't mean you are entitled to pirate it.
    
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If I like an album well enough that it will get repeated replay, damn sure I care about the quality of it to go out and buy it. I spend a bit more than I did before I was able to do this because I'm never worried about wasting my money this way.
Exactly. I have a $1000 stereo in my car... Yet I'm going to burn a free shoddy recording from Pirate Bay to play on it if I like something? Hell no.

There was a 5 year period when I bought nothing, because of the abundance of bad artists out there. I'm STILL like that with movies. Too many bad apples to spend money on them, and downloading them is too tedious.

But once I learned I could download music to check it out, lo and behold, I'm a consumer again!

They ought to just offer free lo-fi copies for digital download. It would almost end piracy.
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The only time anyone pays for something they've illegally obtained is when online content, like multiplayer, is disabled or unusable because it's a pirated copy of software.

No one does that with music. It doesn't make sense and people aren't that honest. Just my opinion.
Your opinion is based on no data or study, merely a thought that you happened to have and decided to slap on all pirates.

I'm not afraid to admit it. I pirate things.
During the Steam sale, I bought nearly every single game that I had pirated. Nearly every single one. Why? Because I enjoyed the game, and I felt that since I was now economically ABLE to show some form of support, I felt I should. It was the least I could do for a company that gave me so much enjoyment.
I don't buy music though. Why bother? My step dad has all the music I need. He bought the CDs, I rip them to FLAC so that I can freely transcode them into any lossy format I want so I can keep them on my iPhone and still have a lossless copy for archiving. Does that make me a bad person for not wanting to have redundant copies around my house? Frankly, I don't care.

Most of the pirates that I personally know do not go out and purchase the media that they pirate. But that's because I only know three pirates. One is completely against the RIAA/MPAA, so he steals as many movies and songs as he can, one is 100% broke and has no business owning a computer in the first place, and one is a douche who doesn't want to pay for things. But you don't see me going around lumping all the pirates in the world into one single category.

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Originally Posted by Nixuz View Post
What I don't get is why so many people seem to think that the RIAA should have the ability to dictate law to the entire world.
This.
Any artist signed with the RIAA doesn't have a chance at making money in the first place. The artists make most of their money off of concerts anyways, so pirating is basically free publicity to them.
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His point was about entitlement, not profit.

just because you don't intend on buying something or don't have the money for something doesn't mean you are entitled to pirate it.
Then he is the only one. They are talking about profit.

On that note, you are entitled to your money if you don't like something... But they sure as hell won't give it back if you buy something that turns out to be garbage.
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Commentary/opinion of this guy is illogical. The jump is made that limewire users were essentially practicing "try before you buy," and then ended up spending money on itunes, which attempts to lend validity to illegal file-acquiring. Well it just so happens that itunes has a nice 30-60 second preview/sample for all of their songs. So it completely invalidates the hokey argument that people were simply practicing "try before you buy" via limewire. You could just as easily "try before you buy" via itunes. A 30-60 second clip of a song should be more than enough to convince you to buy/not buy it.

Disagreements with the recording industry aside, there's no way you can logically argue that under current laws, illegal file sharing cannot be deemed "wrong" in terms of the law, regardless of the reason it's done.
Eh, while I don't want to argue the point about whether they do try before you buy thing, the 30-60 sample is hardly enough if you want certain songs, it could just be a hooky bit they show, for example.

And what if I have a 10 minute song? Hardly enough.

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The only time anyone pays for something they've illegally obtained is when online content, like multiplayer, is disabled or unusable because it's a pirated copy of software.

No one does that with music. It doesn't make sense and people aren't that honest. Just my opinion.
Proof is always the best way to justify something, and it might not make sense to you, but not everyone is you.

I will admit I've pirated a lot of music, but I've bought all my music now simply because I want to support the artist, as well as get higher quality tracks.

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Originally Posted by RonindeBeatrice View Post
If you were a shop owner, and I walked into your store and stole 100 candy bars, for every 2 I purchased, whereas the next fella only purchased 1 candy bar every time he came in, would you make the claim that I was your best customer?
Except it's not stealing, they don't lose the original copy, if you came in and make an exact copy of the candy bar, then tested that first, I wouldn't care. No skin off my back.

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This is outside the scope of the argument whether pirated content represents a lost sale.
No, it's not.

A lost sale means there is no chance of remaking that sale, a way of getting to that is if the object in question is stolen, but not if its copied.

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I rather listen to the whole song before I buy. I tend to listen to a majority of the songs on youtube before I make a choice to purchase the whole album. And then I go buy the CD so I can rip it to whatever file format I want.
Same, because it's legal and free. And tends to make it easier to find the songs.

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Itunes is horrible especially those of us who don't have an ipod or iphone.

Sent from my GT-I9000M using Tapatalk

QFT, iTunes is an complete mess of a media player.
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... You could just as easily "try before you buy" via itunes. A 30-60 second clip of a song should be more than enough to convince you to buy/not buy it....
^^^^^ never listened to a Tool song.....
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Originally Posted by HA3AP View Post
I do, this usually happens for games. I download it play for a few hours, if I like the game I buy it.

Although in Canada it is legal to download "pirated" software as long as its for personal use, and not for resale.
This is not true any software with an EULA in a country with a basic legal system will make it illegal regardless of the laws around piracy.
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