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Yeah...storage media. tongue.gif

lol ever heard of clouds ?? or media servers ??
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Wats with all the hate? yea i pirate songs, i cannot afford every god dam album i like. So what if im pirating, Im a student who has to soon to pay uni fee's. I usually pay for my clothes and my computer hobby and have no money left for software. I only buy games worth buying like bc2 or smething. Everything else mediocre or sp games i torrent, some people are lying about what they do with software distribution on this thread...
Bull$h1t you try and buy, very few people do it, not as many as they claim.
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Believable.

Both services appeal to the same group of people who don't know any better.

As for "try before I buy", I do it. I am not especially well off, but I am not strapped for cash either. I have no problems paying what I consider a fair price for something I will use and enjoy, but I will not waste a single red cent on something of dubious quality or utility. Likewise, I do not, and have never, obeyed laws for the sake of obeying laws. Morality and legality are two very distinct things that often run perpendicular, if not directly counter, to each other.

I could list several examples of intellectual properties that I originally obtained via piracy (mostly books) that later led me to purchase the item, sometimes several times. I could list even more that I pirated, and quickly deleted once I discovered how shoddy they were. I can also list past items that I purchased, that I was forced to pirate after the fact, to have a usable version. I have discs of several games and albums that I will not allow in any of my systems because they contain intrusive rootkits or other DRM.

With regards to games, outside of piracy, there often isn't any way of knowing what you'll be getting into before coughing up your money, and you usually have no way to get your money back if you aren't satisfied. Game demos are getting less and less common. Reviews are often biased and unreliable. Games aren't even finished until months or years after they are released.

This is at least partially by design; the whole market is based on deception and obfuscation. I'm convinced that most publishers of most forms of media exist just to turn out as much garbage as possible, then suppress the ability for you to know how horrific their products truly are, until after they have stolen your money.
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Originally Posted by guyladouche;14365581 
Well it just so happens that itunes has a nice 30-60 second preview/sample for all of their songs. So it completely invalidates the hokey argument that people were simply practicing "try before you buy" via limewire. You could just as easily "try before you buy" via itunes. A 30-60 second clip of a song should be more than enough to convince you to buy/not buy it.

Completely and utterly disagree.

I'd need to listen to a complete song several times, at the least, before I decided whether I'd want to spend money on it.
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Originally Posted by Manyak;14365595 
When they start offering downloads in 96kHz/24bit lossless formats, mastered by people with half a brain, then I will pay for them.

This too.
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How can anyone dispute this when the guy is from the industry itself? How many more studies need to be made before people realize the truth is that suing your customers is idiotic?

How is downloading a low res movie any different than recording it off TV? How is downloading a low quality MP3 any different than recording off the radio? It's not.

Every time you buy a DVD burner, DVD media, CD media, etc a percentage of that cost gets paid to the industries... the record industry, movie industry, etc. People really need to do their homework and understand these things. Even if you don't burn a movie to your DVD you have already paid for the right to do so. Same thing for CDs.

Also:

Trying to claim that a 30 second clip of a song is enough to know if you like it or not is moronic. I have listened to many clips offered on the websites and the part they put on it told me nothing of the complete song. There's a beginning, middle and end of every song (in real music anyway) it tells a story. Reading a random small section of a book does not determine if the book is entirely good.

Ever watch a movie trailer and think, this movie is gonna be awesome? Then you buy it (or go see it) and say, that sucked... I guess that 60 second trailer didn't show you whether you would really like it or not.
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Believable.

Both services appeal to the same group of people who don't know any better.

As for "try before I buy", I do it. I am not especially well off, but I am not strapped for cash either. I have no problems paying what I consider a fair price for something I will use and enjoy, but I will not waste a single red cent on something of dubious quality or utility. Likewise, I do not, and have never, obeyed laws for the sake of obeying laws. Morality and legality are two very distinct things that often run perpendicular, if not directly counter, to each other.

I could list several examples of intellectual properties that I originally obtained via piracy (mostly books) that later led me to purchase the item, sometimes several times. I could list even more that I pirated, and quickly deleted once I discovered how shoddy they were. I can also list past items that I purchased, that I was forced to pirate after the fact, to have a usable version. I have discs of several games and albums that I will not allow in any of my systems because they contain intrusive rootkits or other DRM.

With regards to games, outside of piracy, there often isn't any way of knowing what you'll be getting into before coughing up your money, and you usually have no way to get your money back if you aren't satisfied. Game demos are getting less and less common. Reviews are often biased and unreliable. Games aren't even finished until months or years after they are released.

This is at least partially by design; the whole market is based on deception and obfuscation. I'm convinced that most publishers of most forms of media exist just to turn out as much garbage as possible, then suppress the ability for you to know how horrific their products truly are, until after they have stolen your money.

All of this.

There is a no return policy for games/movies/CDs. You buy it, open it, play it and don't like it. Tough.

Name me other industries like this... Buy a pair of jeans, don't like em, bring em back. The food you bought at the store tastes like garbage, bring it back! Many companies if you send it to them in the mail will send you books of coupons for their products! Imagine that, they offer you something more for compensation than just giving your money back.

The media industry is a complete ripoff, selling defective and falsely advertise items (intentionally, no less) and yet you can't bring it back and get your money. This is theft. Fraud even. They do it because they have lobbied in Congress for years (they have a direct door in, while we don't) for these laws to be put into place. They do it because they can and there's is nothing you can do about it.

The gaming industry is allowed to place restrictions on the number of times you install a game on your PC. If you change your hardware with upgrades it views your PC as a different one. You lose another install. They don't even have to disclose this to you. At all.

Good people they are.
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Originally Posted by ForumViewer;14365817 
The only time anyone pays for something they've illegally obtained is when online content, like multiplayer, is disabled or unusable because it's a pirated copy of software.

No one does that with music. It doesn't make sense and people aren't that honest. Just my opinion.

I guess I'm just hallucinating then. I'm so delirious, I can't remember my own actions!
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Wats with all the hate? yea i pirate songs, i cannot afford every god dam album i like. So what if im pirating, Im a student who has to soon to pay uni fee's. I usually pay for my clothes and my computer hobby and have no money left for software. I only buy games worth buying like bc2 or smething. Everything else mediocre or sp games i torrent, some people are lying about what they do with software distribution on this thread...
Bull$h1t you try and buy, very few people do it, not as many as they claim.
I can't afford something, thus I automatically am entitled to it.
Edited by t3haxle - 7/28/11 at 5:45am
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I can see truth in this. I always try to get a leaked version of a music album, and if it's good I go out and buy it when it does come out for Release. I own just about all the eminem albums there are except a couple, like relapse, listened to it and didn't really like it so its pointless to buy somthing That only had 2-3 good songs out of 20.
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Originally Posted by Blameless;14377128 
Completely and utterly disagree.

I'd need to listen to a complete song several times, at the least, before I decided whether I'd want to spend money on it.

Okay, I'll definitely say I'm not the same way, but fair enough. Then at what point do you think someone is obligated to pay for a song, then? When they're convinced that they like it enough to want to keep it regardless of how many times they've listened to it? Or when they've listened to it twice? Three times? More than that, regardless of their attachment to it? At what point is the artist entitled to money for their work? (let's assume no evil recording studio to take into account--I wish...) I would argue that if someone has the song in their possession, or is able to listen to it multiple times privately, that regardless of their "like" of it, the artist should be entitled to compensation for their work that enabled the person to be in possession of their song in the first place.

There are a lot of venues for sampling music--even full-songs--without file-sharing. Yes, I know some arguments as to why that's not practical is that not all genres of songs are equally available, like on the radio and whatnot, such as obscure artists and songs. But a lot are. Take this to the idea of limewire back in the day of when the author was discussing this concept--limewire libraries were almost universally (not all...but mosty) composed of the most popular songs of the time, as opposed to obscure songs and artists that are difficult to get ahold of for "sampling before you buy." I'd approximate (again, just a guess) that at any time, 99% of the albums being shared were, at some point, on the radio or some other venue of public broadcast. I think it's much easier today to legally sample music--whether it's via something like Billboard.com, or artists' Youtube channels, etc., without having to illegally acquire said songs.

I'm not saying that I think the recording industry doesn't need to wake up. I think music media is overvalued and overpriced--I definitely don't think one song is worth $1 for me to own, or an entire album is worth $10-15-20. But I still don't think that that overvalued problem validates illegal file sharing as a try-before-you-buy.
    
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Originally Posted by Dilyn;14375957 
Your opinion is based on no data or study, merely a thought that you happened to have and decided to slap on all pirates.

I'm not afraid to admit it. I pirate things.
During the Steam sale, I bought nearly every single game that I had pirated. Nearly every single one. Why? Because I enjoyed the game, and I felt that since I was now economically ABLE to show some form of support, I felt I should. It was the least I could do for a company that gave me so much enjoyment.
I don't buy music though. Why bother? My step dad has all the music I need. He bought the CDs, I rip them to FLAC so that I can freely transcode them into any lossy format I want so I can keep them on my iPhone and still have a lossless copy for archiving. Does that make me a bad person for not wanting to have redundant copies around my house? Frankly, I don't care.

Most of the pirates that I personally know do not go out and purchase the media that they pirate. But that's because I only know three pirates. One is completely against the RIAA/MPAA, so he steals as many movies and songs as he can, one is 100% broke and has no business owning a computer in the first place, and one is a douche who doesn't want to pay for things. But you don't see me going around lumping all the pirates in the world into one single category.



This.
Any artist signed with the RIAA doesn't have a chance at making money in the first place. The artists make most of their money off of concerts anyways, so pirating is basically free publicity to them.


I support most of what you said, but pirating a game then buying it on steam sale a year later for 10 dollars isn't doing much to tell the developer/publisher that you like the game and that it's something they should look into making a sequel for or whatever.

It's obvious that when these games came out for 60 dollars that you wanted to play them badly but didn't want to pay the 60 dollars, so you pirated them. Waiting half a year and buying them for 75% off on steam doesn't mean that you're supporting the developer or the publisher or the IP. This is why we don't have NEW IPs. Is this to say that steam sales aren't helping the developer? Of course not, that's not what I'm trying to get at. What I'm saying is that when people pirate these original IPs because they're "scared" that the game might suck or they just "don't have enough money" to be spending on a game they don't know is good, they're telling the publisher that this new IP is not something worth investing in. The reason why we're on call of duty 800 now is because it's a proven formula.

Now this whole thing isn't directed totally at you, for all I know you pirated a game that was 30 dollars and bought it for 10, or you pirated a game for 20 dollars and bought it for 15. This is more a general statement about people who pirate tons of new releases and then act like they're a supporter of the industry/devs/publishers when they buy the game on sale a year later for 2.50. /rant
    
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Originally Posted by xPrestonn;14380395 
I support most of what you said, but pirating a game then buying it on steam sale a year later for 10 dollars isn't doing much to tell the developer/publisher that you like the game and that it's something they should look into making a sequel for or whatever.

It's obvious that when these games came out for 60 dollars that you wanted to play them badly but didn't want to pay the 60 dollars, so you pirated them. Waiting half a year and buying them for 75% off on steam doesn't mean that you're supporting the developer or the publisher or the IP. This is why we don't have NEW IPs. Is this to say that steam sales aren't helping the developer? Of course not, that's not what I'm trying to get at. What I'm saying is that when people pirate these original IPs because they're "scared" that the game might suck or they just "don't have enough money" to be spending on a game they don't know is good, they're telling the publisher that this new IP is not something worth investing in. The reason why we're on call of duty 800 now is because it's a proven formula.

Now this whole thing isn't directed totally at you, for all I know you pirated a game that was 30 dollars and bought it for 10, or you pirated a game for 20 dollars and bought it for 15. This is more a general statement about people who pirate tons of new releases and then act like they're a supporter of the industry/devs/publishers when they buy the game on sale a year later for 2.50. /rant

The bold is me redface.gif

I didn't pirate many new games. I pirated older games that were going for relatively cheap (say, $30ish?). I was unemployed for the LONGEST time (relying mainly on Christmas to get my rig together), so I couldn't afford even $20 games. Now I plan on preordering BF3 and buying all sorts of other new games (like From Dust, looks epic).

Most of the games that I pirated were at least a year old at the time. I rarely pirate new games. Except CoD, but I absolutely despise Infinity Ward and wanted to stick my thumb in their eye lachen.gif
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