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So here's the deal. I'm looking to buy a 5.1 setup.

The MAIN reason I want this is for movies, and to play music from my PC, and my guitar.

I want to be able to play music from my PC AND guitar at the same time (like back tracking).

Now I have an M-Audio Fast Track. It has two outputs (red/white).

How can I have both the audio from my PC, and from the M-Audio playing at the same time from the speakers? I assume the receiver from the package I linked above can only output one of the input signals at a time, and doesn't double as a mixer. Do I need a mixer? If so, will the mixer muddy the sound from my sound card, and M-audio?

Edit: I just talked to a rep from Onkyo. He didn't seem to have the slightest clue what I was talking about, nor was he of any help. I can only imagine how much worse it would be if I actually went to a big box store and asked them in person.
Edited by Backfat - 7/27/11 at 1:54pm
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Yeah, the Onkyo won't mix two inputs. I've not used the Fast Track or the software that comes with it but I'm thinking you should be able to mix it in the PC. So a track playing in whatever player and play the guitar through the Fast Track into protools (or whatever software you have) and both outputting to the soundcard (or the Fast Track).
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That onkyo setup is a great starter kit and you should be able to get the guitar and background music via pc software.
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Yeah, the Onkyo won't mix two inputs. I've not used the Fast Track or the software that comes with it but I'm thinking you should be able to mix it in the PC. So a track playing in whatever player and play the guitar through the Fast Track into protools (or whatever software you have) and both outputting to the soundcard (or the Fast Track).
Well my sound card only has a mic/line input. I never thought about connecting the output of the Fast Track to my sound card. I don't have the proper cord at the moment to test it (I'd need a red/white to 1/4").

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That onkyo setup is a great starter kit and you should be able to get the guitar and background music via pc software.
The problem is that my sound card, and Fast Track use two separate outputs. The Fast Track has it's own output (USB or red/white stereo). If used as an output to the PC via USB my sound card gets disabled, so I wouldn't be able to play music from my sound card.
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I was thinking connect the Fast Track straight to the PC, I'm assuming you can get the guitar sound into Pro-Tools (or whatever software) over its USB connection - I'm suspecting its a standard USB sound device. You should be able to either pass it through the music software or mix it in the windows mixer with a music track from any other application.

If its not a USB sound device then your idea of passing from the Fast Track to the Line in on the soundcard will also work, you'd just need to monitor the mic\\line in to have the soundcard mix it with whatever windows sound.
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I was thinking connect the Fast Track straight to the PC, I'm assuming you can get the guitar sound into Pro-Tools (or whatever software) over its USB connection - I'm suspecting its a standard USB sound device. You should be able to either pass it through the music software or mix it in the windows mixer with a music track from any other application.

If its not a USB sound device then your idea of passing from the Fast Track to the Line in on the soundcard will also work, you'd just need to monitor the mic\\line in to have the soundcard mix it with whatever windows sound.
Well, yes it is a USB device. The thing is, I only would like to use the USB to control the sound via Guitar Rig, then use its output to the receiver, or whatever. If I use it solely as a USB device (have my computer audio running through it), then I bypass my sound card's output (assuming I connect only the Fast Track to the Onkyo receiver). I really don't want to do that for obvious reasons.
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Well, yes it is a USB device. The thing is, I only would like to use the USB to control the sound via Guitar Rig, then use its output to the receiver, or whatever. If I use it solely as a USB device (have my computer audio running through it), then I bypass my sound card's output (assuming I connect only the Fast Track to the Onkyo receiver). I really don't want to do that for obvious reasons.
In that case your options are to go from the Fast Track to the soundcard line-in and connect the soundcard to the reciever, or get an external 2 channel stereo mixer and connect both the soundcard and Fast Track to that.

Can you not use the Fast Track as a sound input (over USB) and still have the control you want with Guitar Rig? It should be possible, it just seems un-necessary to get an external mixer when you should be able to mix sound from the Fast Track and any other application in the PC and output it all through the soundcard to the receiver.
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Can you not use the Fast Track as a sound input (over USB) and still have the control you want with Guitar Rig? It should be possible, it just seems un-necessary to get an external mixer when you should be able to mix sound from the Fast Track and any other application in the PC and output it all through the soundcard to the receiver.
Not that I know of. Since the Fast Track has it's own sound card, only one can be used by the PC at a time. So if I use the Fast Track solely, my sound card MUST be disabled and goes unused. If I don't disable the sound card in the sound panel, I get no sound from the Fast Track. It's a PITA, which is why I wanted to be able to connect both to the receiver and use both at once.

What I've been doing is switching out my headphones between my sound card, and the Fast Track every time I play guitar. I go into the playback devices window, disable my sound card, and I can hear the music from my PC, and guitar through the Fast Track. If I don't disable the sound card, I hear nothing from either.

I don't know of a way that I can use the Fast Track as input to my computer via USB, and still get the sound to be outputted by the sound card.
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Not that I know of. Since the Fast Track has it's own sound card, only one can be used by the PC at a time. So if I use the Fast Track solely, my sound card MUST be disabled and goes unused. If I don't disable the sound card in the sound panel, I get no sound from the Fast Track. It's a PITA, which is why I wanted to be able to connect both to the receiver and use both at once.

What I've been doing is switching out my headphones between my sound card, and the Fast Track every time I play guitar. I go into the playback devices window, disable my sound card, and I can hear the music from my PC, and guitar through the Fast Track. If I don't disable the sound card, I hear nothing from either.

I don't know of a way that I can use the Fast Track as input to my computer via USB, and still get the sound to be outputted by the sound card.
I see, you should be able to do it with software that can select a non-default sound device, that way you can have the soundcard as windows default outputting everything and the Fast Track inputting to the software and passed on to the soundcard mixer, most "music studio's" should be able to do that - not having used what you have though I couldn't say for sure.
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I see, you should be able to do it with software that can select a non-default sound device, that way you can have the soundcard as windows default outputting everything and the Fast Track inputting to the software and passed on to the soundcard mixer, most "music studio's" should be able to do that - not having used what you have though I couldn't say for sure.
Lol, I just tried hooking the Fast Track red/white output to my sound card's mic in. After 20 minutes of errors and messing around in Guitar Rig's ASIO setup, I finally got sound to come out. It was AWFUL. Just terrible sounding, and with lag. I don't think the sound card input was meant for this purpose.

See the way I assume the Fast Track works (and I know very little about audio equipment) is that the guitar signal travels down the USB to Guitar Rig, or whatever. Guitar Rig manipulates the sound, then returns it back to the Fast Track where I have my headphones plugged in. I don't understand how you can then get it to come out through the sound card.

In Guitar Rig, when selecting the driver, it looks like:




My default audio settings look like :





In order to get sound in GR4 (from PC, and guitar) I need to disable the "Speakers" in playback, so that get sound through the Fast Track with my headphones hooked up to it.

I don't know how to reverse it so that I can get sound through the sound card from the Fast Track lol...


Thanks for helping by the way, you're the only person to respond on three websites I posted this to.
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