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Hi all,

I've been looking to upgrade my GPU for a while now and my backpay has just arrived! I feel that I can now convince my wife that a 580 GPU is not only desireable but quite frankly necessary!

I was hoping that you guys would be able to shed some light on the differences between the various 580 brand GPUS (i'm assuing that GTX is the way to go)?

What i'd like to know is if there are differences between the various cards on the market? I'm not looking to overclock till my PC is on its last legs (see: a few years) so this isn't a big factor in my decision.

I noticed the MSI GTX580 Twin Frozr II card. I'm assuming from the name () that this card should have a cooler overall temperature than other cards? Is there a performance hit or should I be directing my attention to other obviously better cards?

I'd also need a PSU to go with the card (with the potential to also go SLI if my mobo will allow it in the future - it's in my sig if anyone fancies a look).

Looking to run everything at 'max' (1920x1080, single monitor display).

Budget around the £500 mark (can be stretched slightly at the expense of waiting another month).

Hope you can all help!

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post #2 of 30
the twin frozr is a fantastic card, excellent cooling and better VRMs if i understand correctly.

there is little difference in the performance of the difference 580s. the only difference that could come up is when you go to OC, and that could be because of the cooling or the VRM quality.

IMO, the best 580 is the MSI 580 lightning.


also, a 580 will max all current games at 1080p, and to SLI 580s either a very high quality 750w PSU or an 850w would be enough.
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post #3 of 30
The Twin Frozr II is a good cooler! I had the infamous Golden Edition Twin Frozr II GTX 465, and I loved it!

However, you can also consider the ASUS "Matrix" GTX 580, or the DirectCU II 580 (I am loving the DirectCU II cooler).

Another option is the MSI GTX 580 Lightning (Twin Frozr III).

Regarding the PSU: what do you have now?
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The Twin Frozr II is a good cooler! I had the infamous Golden Edition Twin Frozr II GTX 465, and I loved it!

However, you can also consider the ASUS "Matrix" GTX 580, or the DirectCU II 580 (I am loving the DirectCU II cooler).

Another option is the MSI GTX 580 Lightning (Twin Frozr III).

Regarding the PSU: what do you have now?
I'm... not sure... I certainly wouldn't rate it and i've been looking to replace it in my next (see: this) upgrade

I think i'll take a quick look at the Twin Frozr III - I hadn't realised that such a card existed! Would it be possible to recommend a really decent PSU to go with that particular card (SLI'd for future proofing)?
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post #5 of 30
I'm voting for the lightning cards as well (1.5gb if your only doing 1 monitor, 3gb version if you are planning on nvidia surround). I have the 3GB versions. First twin frozr card for me, and it is fantastic. The cooling is better. I haven't overclocked it since it comes overclocked and my buddy only notices 1-2 frame difference with an overclock (then again he tested in cod which doesnt even use dx11) These cards are definitely a recommendation. I think they are by far the best dual slot 580 cards out there, definitely better than reference, and the msi afterburned program that pairs with it is awesome.

As for power supply, these cards say 700w on the box, but you can get away with an 850 for two, but I will say that I have hit 800w while playing crysis 2 and havent even tried crysis 1 again yet. I would recommend a solid ocz 1000w. Ive had issues with both the ax1200 (3 ax1200s would not power my sig rig, and neither would the silverstone st1500 I think because the multiple rails werent distributing properly) After those psu issues, I pulled out my old ocz 1000w z series and it works great. They have updated full modular ones now instead of partial. I would give those a look. Hope this information helps.
post #6 of 30
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I'm... not sure... I certainly wouldn't rate it and i've been looking to replace it in my next (see: this) upgrade

I think i'll take a quick look at the Twin Frozr III - I hadn't realised that such a card existed! Would it be possible to recommend a really decent PSU to go with that particular card (SLI'd for future proofing)?
I noticed that your profile says you are in the UK, so can you order from eBuyer or Scan.co.uk?

Before I post any suggestions, I want to say that any quality 750W power supply is enough. Guru3D was able to get their test system to pull 719W from the wall outlet when it had two GTX 580s in SLI under full load (source). This means that the system pulled approximately 615W from the power supply (719 * 0.85 for 85% efficiency).

Now, Guru3D also recommends adding about 100-150W to account for the rest of the system which brings the maximum power draw to about 715W. That means when the cards and the CPU are under maximum load, the system would pull a maximum of ~715W, maybe 720 to 730W at the extreme most.

However, don't let this figure scare you into thinking that it would be cutting it close with a quality 750W power supply. Any quality 750W power supply that I recommend will be a good continuous-rated unit. So that means that any 750W unit I recommend will be able to handle 750W continuously. If a 750W power supply that I recommend were to get a "peak" rating, then it would be ~850-900W.

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Exactly what two cables said, I just dont like to push it and I buy the little bit of extra wattage. Jeze two cables, I see you post everywhere. Your like a machine of wisdom on this site.
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Exactly what two cables said, I just dont like to push it and I buy the little bit of extra wattage. Jeze two cables, I see you post everywhere. Your like a machine of wisdom on this site.
At the risk of embarrassing myself, I basically spend almost every waking minute at my computer. I also spend most of that time here on OCN which means I learned basically everything I know from the experts on here.
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At the risk of embarrassing myself, I basically spend almost every waking minute at my computer. I also spend most of that time here on OCN which means I learned basically everything I know from the experts on here.
Sadly enough, I spend just as much time on my computer, just now starting to browse this site more and more. There is so much to learn here. I bet if I went to the networking part, they could further assist me in attaining my degree haha.
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I noticed that your profile says you are in the UK, so can you order from eBuyer or Scan.co.uk?
Scan yes, I have them on my favourites list. I've never used eBuyer though, are they reputable?
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