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A $300 chip obviously will not compete with a <$600 one. AMD can care less about SB-E. SB-E isn't even that much different that SB,just raise the multiplier,give it the SUPER 1337 AWESOME EPIC PLUS 9001 DIVIDED BY ZERO EXTREME EDITION name that somehow justifies them charging $400 more for essentially the same chip.
Even though AMD lost the high end performance crown,they still rule the mainstream market,which makes up of over 80% of PC sales,also lower priced stuff sells more.
Is that what a lot on OCN do though? My CPU rocks at games,AMD sucks at gaming,this CPU is great for games,this "bottlenecks" me in games,my dual core is better than your quad core for games,I need a 5Gh processor and 3 GPU's for games. games games games. So many assume all everyone uses their computer for is games.
With Intel creating a monopoly,most likely.
Amd has no where near the market share intel has, IN ANY AREA, except soon maybe in the console area they will hold the majority of the market but that's only because AMD is being put into all the NG consoles.

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If AMD made it before, why on earth wouldn't they be able to make it again? It's a completely new arch. From the ground up.

I could've said the same about Intel during the Pentium 4 era, it would've been just as untrue. Please do your research.



No. It's more like 5 GHz for four cores.
Do research? On what? Intel held the crown with up to the P3 it wasn't until the AMD K8 that they started to pull ahead, but soon as Intel released the core architecture the lost that spot once again and have been playing catchup since then. While also dropping out of the "enthusiast" segment as well by disbanding the FX chips.
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Quad-core will be $190, hexacore will be $240.
Guess I will probably not be able to resist going "all the way" and get all 8. I do afterall have the right Mobo for it now. I am sure the 4 core would suit me fine, after all my deuce 555 runs every game I have now perfectly, but that is my pragmatic inner-cheapskate talking, not the devilish speed freak on my other shoulder.
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A $300 chip obviously will not compete with a <$600 one. AMD can care less about SB-E. SB-E isn't even that much different that SB,just raise the multiplier,give it the SUPER 1337 AWESOME EPIC PLUS 9001 DIVIDED BY ZERO EXTREME EDITION name that somehow justifies them charging $400 more for essentially the same chip.
Even though AMD lost the high end performance crown,they still rule the mainstream market,which makes up of over 80% of PC sales,also lower priced stuff sells more.
Is that what a lot on OCN do though? My CPU rocks at games,AMD sucks at gaming,this CPU is great for games,this "bottlenecks" me in games,my dual core is better than your quad core for games,I need a 5Gh processor and 3 GPU's for games. games games games. So many assume all everyone uses their computer for is games.
With Intel creating a monopoly,most likely.
Amd rule the mainstream market??

Amd vs intels gross revenue figures say otherwise.

Sandybridge currently rules the mainstream market
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Do research? On what?
THE ARCHITECTURE. The thing that actually matters.

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Intel held the crown with up to the P3 it wasn't until the AMD K8 that they started to pull ahead, but soon as Intel released the core architecture the lost that spot once again and have been playing catchup since then. While also dropping out of the "enthusiast" segment as well by disbanding the FX chips.
No. AMD had the crown for a lot of time before that, not continuously but they did have some great deals like the Am386 and Am486 for example. They basically reverse engineered Intel chips, made their own, and then overclocked them and sold them cheaper. It was a genius business model, but Intel started releasing chips faster than they could handle so they worked on their own architecture. K5 beat Pentium clock per clock, but not Pentium Pro. The K6 architecture presented Intel's Pentium III with very serious competition. Then K7, or the original Athlon, came along, which edged out Pentium III and Pentium 4. K8, or the Athlon 64, further beat Intel and was the first desktop 64-bit architecture. In 2006, though, Intel released Core 2, which handily defeated K8. AMD soon released K10, or the Phenom, which was a failure. Once they tweaked the Phenom and made the Phenom II, or K10.5, Intel had already released a new architecture. To compete they added more cores to the Phenom II, which made it faster in some multithreaded programs such as rendering.

And why the heck does it matter that AMD's doing bad now? That doesn't mean they'll be doing bad forever. Chip speeds are determined by much more than what other chips the manufacturer has made. It's silly to say otherwise. Please, PLEASE understand that it doesn't matter that AMD's 2008 architecture sucks against Intel's 2011 architecture. Intel came back after P4. AMD can come back after Phenom.
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THE ARCHITECTURE. The thing that actually matters.



No. AMD had the crown for a lot of time before that, not continuously but they did have some great deals like the Am386 and Am486 for example. They basically reverse engineered Intel chips, made their own, and then overclocked them and sold them cheaper. It was a genius business model, but Intel started releasing chips faster than they could handle so they worked on their own architecture. K5 beat Pentium clock per clock, but not Pentium Pro. The K6 architecture presented Intel's Pentium III with very serious competition. Then K7, or the original Athlon, came along, which edged out Pentium III and Pentium 4. K8, or the Athlon 64, further beat Intel and was the first desktop 64-bit architecture. In 2006, though, Intel released Core 2, which handily defeated K8. AMD soon released K10, or the Phenom, which was a failure. Once they tweaked the Phenom and made the Phenom II, or K10.5, Intel had already released a new architecture. To compete they added more cores to the Phenom II, which made it faster in some multithreaded programs such as rendering.

And why the heck does it matter that AMD's doing bad now? That doesn't mean they'll be doing bad forever. Chip speeds are determined by much more than what other chips the manufacturer has made. It's silly to say otherwise. Please, PLEASE understand that it doesn't matter that AMD's 2008 architecture sucks against Intel's 2011 architecture. Intel came back after P4. AMD can come back after Phenom.
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Not saying they can't.

I just want the best performing chip, regardless of who makes it. I don't care. Like I said, I hope AMD can catch up, but I personally don't feel it's going to be any time soon, the seem to be slowly falling more and more behind.
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Dodged me again?
I hadn't even seen your post. If you hadn't noticed, I took a few minutes to write that.


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K. Again I'll ask for the third time, hopefully you won't dodge again. Where did he say any of this in this thread? Or are you fabricating quotes?
I'm not fabricating quotes, and I'm not dodging you. If you hadn't noticed, my comments relating your posts to a child saying "what if..." in response to everything was a response to this.

You know what, if you can find me a link to any rumor about BD that mentions 4.5 GHz turbo BESIDES the one that states that this is for all cores, I'd appreciate it. If you can't, it either means he's pulling things out of his you know what (which I doubt) or that he's referring to this rumor, which he obviously knows about as he has mentioned the FX 8150 and 8170 in his posts before and these model numbers were revealed by that very rumor. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out. However, it does take someone who is stubborn and can't admit that they're wrong.

Oh and by the way, you were proven wrong with enough conclusive evidence for you to stop talking in every single bit of this argument except the one that we are continuing right now. However, you're dodging that.
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I'm not fabricating quotes, and I'm not dodging you. If you hadn't noticed, my comments relating your posts to a child saying "what if..." in response to everything was a response to this.
Yeah you're dodging, you still haven't answered where he posted that in this thread. Because it's not anywhere to be seen. Which I've now asked you to show me FOUR times.

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You know what, if you can find me a link to any rumor about BD that mentions 4.5 GHz turbo BESIDES the one that states that this is for all cores, I'd appreciate it. If you can't, it either means he's pulling things out of his you know what (which I doubt) or that he's referring to this rumor, which he obviously knows about as he has mentioned the FX 8150 and 8170 in his posts before and these model numbers were revealed by that very rumor. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out. However, it does take someone who is stubborn and can't admit that they're wrong.
Never said I believed he was right. Please show me where I said that. I can't be wrong if I never asserted my opinion on the matter.
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Do research? On what?
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Yeah you're dodging, you still haven't answered where he posted that in this thread. Because it's not anywhere to be seen.
Yes, because it has to be acknowledged in this thread and this thread only that he has knowledge of a rumor. Please just look in his post history and use ctrl+F for the FX 8170 model number to find that he has knowledge of the rumor.

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Never said I believed he was right. Please show me where I said that.
I didn't say that you thought he was right. But you're saying that he may believe in something that he obviously doesn't unless he's pulling things out of his backside.
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