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Originally Posted by Acefire View Post
What people fail to realize is that CPU price is only a small aspect of a larger picture, which tells us almost nothing. For one, the motherboard will vary in price based on socket. Ram performance will vary depending on socket and so forth....... Overall, the things we need to pay attention to are competing builds, not processor prices. Therefore, we have no proper way to make speculation, even with the price.
This is pretty much wrong. A small aspect of the larger picture that tell you nothing? For the most part you can get similarly priced motherboards (budget and high end) for current platforms. And RAM performance? Well, any small differences there will be absolutely meaningless - we already gain little performance increase from large RAM speed increases, you really think that the even smaller performance differences caused by the platform will be noticeable? Processor price/performance really is the largest issue here. The other largest aspect is socket extendability and compatibility. Not having to even BUY a new motherboard if your old one can support the new CPU is a significant savings.

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Originally Posted by Obakemono View Post
You are very correct, many fail to realize this fact and thump their chests for the CPU manufacturer they love. I for one suffer from what is called "Brand Loyalty", I have been building computers based on AMD since the days that one could put an AMD OR an Intel CPU in the same socket. Even then AMD was cheaper and was equal in performance.
It's the Intel fanboys who are worried that BD will give better performance at an overall lesser price point than the Intel overpriced CPU they bought. Most are too scared to admit this.
So you first harp on people for "thumping their chest" over the CPU they love and in the next sentence admit that you buy AMD regardless of whether they actually have the best product? Pretty hypocritical in my opinion. As much as you say people with Intel builds are worried, BD hopefuls are just as much worried that performance won't be up to par - the defensiveness and "must protect BD" attitude in these threads is clear evidence of that. Are you too scared to admit this? As a self proclaimed AMD fanboy, you have much more riding on the outcome of this than any Intel user does.
Edited by Iceman23 - 7/31/11 at 8:48am
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Originally Posted by bencher View Post
What is overkill?
How do you decide what is overkill for someone else

Another thing do you know the performance bd?
Amd is not release a phenom III. This is completely new.

Your logic makes no sense.
Tell me you are joking. 8-cores is like buying a Ferrari that has a rev limiter at 5000 rpms. It's obvious, you won't use 8 cores, we hardly utilize 4 cores, why would you need 8? They'll go completely unused. And if tradition continues, Sadly, it will terribly under-perform compared to Sandy Bridge. It's obvious you don't understand CPU core utilization, there's hardly a program written to utilize quadcore, so I will stop here.
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Then why did you get an i7 ? Since you don't need 8 threads it seems.
You have 3 options:
1) Get an i5.
2) Disable HT.
3) **** of all bd threads.

Some people here really need to think before they speak, saying 8 cores is overkill while having a cpu that has 8 threads >_>
I use virtualization all the time for work, and run several mulithreaded apps, but this is not true for the common user or gamer. Some people need to get off there AMD fanboyism horse before they talk.
Edited by whitingnick - 7/31/11 at 9:10am
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I'm an AMD fanboy, but I recommend Intel many times over, but I hope AMD pulls out a good product out of their hat, but at the same time I don't give a rats furry behind if they don't live up to expectations.

I think that the real issue here is that some Intel fans see it as their duty to come into AMD threads and pee in other peoples cereal.



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Originally Posted by whitingnick

Tell me you are joking. 8-cores is like buying a Ferrari that has a rev limiter at 5000 rpms. It's obvious, you won't use 8 cores, we hardly utilize 4 cores, why would you need 8? They'll go completely unused. It's obvious you don't understand CPU core utilization, there's hardly a program written to utilize quadcore, so I will stop here.
Not to sound rude but:

AMD's new cores aren't full cores, you need to look at it as modules.

Also by saying "8-cores is like buying a Ferrari that has a rev limiter at 5000 rpms. It's obvious, you won't use 8 cores, we hardly utilize 4 cores, why would you need 8?" is a bit naive considering that you have a cpu that can run 8 threads simultaneously just like the new bulldozer tech, do you need to run 8 threads?
Edited by smash_mouth01 - 7/31/11 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by smash_mouth01 View Post
I'm an AMD fanboy, but I recommend Intel many times over, but I hope AMD pulls out a good product out of their hat, but at the same time I don't give a rats furry behind if they don't live up to expectations.

I think that the real issue here is that some Intel fans see it as their duty to come into AMD threads and pee in other peoples cereal.





Not to sound rude but:

AMD's new cores aren't full cores, you need to look at it as modules.

Also by saying "8-cores is like buying a Ferrari that has a rev limiter at 5000 rpms. It's obvious, you won't use 8 cores, we hardly utilize 4 cores, why would you need 8?" is a bit naive considering that you have a cpu that can run 8 threads simultaneously just like the new bulldozer tech, do you need to run 8 threads?
Not to sound rude back, but I fully understand this: I utilize my 8 threads on a daily basis for work and school using virtualization and other multithreaded apps.
Honestly, I don't mean to be hating on AMD here. I've bought and used AMD also.
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Not to sound rude back, but I fully understand this: I utilize my 8 threads on a daily basis for work and school using virtualization and other multithreaded apps.
Fair enough, that is 1 out of how many ?

You say that most people don't need this, and in all intensive purposes I agree with you. But the average person isn't going to be buying into this line of processors.
The processors that they will buy into are the Fusion chips, which I am not going to insult you by saying that you don't know this, but on that fact alone it nulls your argument.
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Tell me you are joking. 8-cores is like buying a Ferrari that has a rev limiter at 5000 rpms. It's obvious, you won't use 8 cores, we hardly utilize 4 cores, why would you need 8? They'll go completely unused. And if tradition continues, Sadly, it will terribly under-perform compared to Sandy Bridge. It's obvious you don't understand CPU core utilization, there's hardly a program written to utilize quadcore, so I will stop here.

I use virtualization all the time for work, and run several mulithreaded apps, but this is not true for the common user or gamer. Some people need to get off there AMD fanboyism horse before they talk.
You do not seem to understand anything.
If what tradition continues? Do you realize this is not a phenom III?
How do you know my 8 cores wont be used?
You use your 8 threads right?
Why will my 8 threads be a waste when you use all yours?

Being a fanboy is dumb. Stop it...
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Because the i7 920 is faster than a i5 1156. Why downgrade. Guys let's be honest though, an 8 core processor is cool but far overkill and completely unnecessary at this point for 99.9% of the population. Do apps run multithreading? Yes. 8-cores worth? Not many at all. In fact, even hexacore is far overkill for most of us. Does it seems cool, yes, but not practical for most of you.
Don't mean to rain on your Octo-core parade, but imop AMD should push out CPU's that can compete with Intel, and quit it with all extra core mumbo jumbo. Even early Intel quads are on par with AMD's hexacore line.
So you have a problem with AMD bringing out 8 core CPU's, yet you're fine with Intel's 8 thread CPU's?

wut.

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Originally Posted by Usario View Post
Sadly, it seems like a lot of Intel users have this sort of ego... they just HAVE to have the fastest processor.

Like 1366 vs 1155...
Honestly, Usario, you used to make some decent posts in previous BD threads.... but now you're just joining in with the AMD-Intel mud-slinging matches.

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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post
BD may end up taking the crown from SB, who knows? But don't be silly and try to deny that SB is better than anything AMD currently offers for ANYBODY's use...
The performance of a 1090T could easily match a 2500K.
Edited by GameBoy - 7/31/11 at 12:39pm
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Bring on the competition. Only the consumer wins.
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Bring on the competition. Only the consumer wins.

There is also consumer demand for a faster product
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The performance of a 1090T could easily match a 2500K.
We really need a 1090T at 4.2Ghz to post some benchmarks.
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