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If you read that thread I posted, I showed you how much GPU utilization there was at each core setting, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6, when there is a CPU bottleneck present.

Your right, that is only one game I showed. I did not do tests for all the games in my library, because that would take hours out of my already short free time. Showed that BFBC2 utilizes more than 3 cores for added performance when there is a CPU bottleneck. I listed two others as well that I goofed with, but didn't document.

All I'm saying is; if there are 6 threads generated that need to be calculated, and they can all be done in 1 clock cycle instead of 2, you'd be crazy to think that it wouldn't allow better performance.
Why can't you just show me an x6 pushing markedly better FPS than an x4 at the same clocks speeds? Seems glaringly simple to me.

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Because that's what he said. That's what I was conversing with him about, or trying to anyway. The way it was phrased seemed like it was referencing the bit-tech article, which is fairly popular, and wrong.
Well, I think you've clearly interpreted his post in the wrong way.
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Why can't you just show me an x6 pushing markedly better FPS than an x4 at the same clocks speeds? Seems glaringly simple to me.
I asked for an FPS program that works with Punkbuster several times in the other thread, no one had a solution for me.

And it's not ALL that simple, as I have to pull apart my rig to put my X4 in... But I suppose I could do it.

This will also be a good way to find out if X6 and X4 cores are created equal.

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Well, I think you've clearly interpreted his post in the wrong way.
Everyone is different. Connotation blows on the internet.
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Isn't it "mber 19th"

October wouldn't fit.
Yes you are correct. However that doesn't exclude November or December.

Here's a Better Screenshot:

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Competition is always good, but I still feel that AMD should work on getting more performance per cores, rather than just smacking more cores onto each new chip IMO.
IPC increases.

Bulldozer has up to eight integer cores (two integer cores in each module sharing the fetch/decode stage). Each integer core contains four pipelines, each accompanied by a certain type of execution unit. Two execution units are simply referred to by AMD as "execution units". They're mainly ALUs (arithmetic logic units) but they also do some other stuff. Then the two other execution units are ALGUs, which have a simple ALU and also an AGU (address generation unit).

If anybody reading this doesn't understand the point of what I said up there: Bulldozer will have IPC comparable to or better than that of Nehalem (it depends on the efficiency of the execution units and pipelines, which we don't know much about yet... it could very well exceed the IPC of Sandy Bridge, which also has four pipelines per core). This is an entire new architecture, designed from the ground up. It's the first major change in AMD's architecture since the Athlon 64 eight years ago. It cannot be judged based on AMD's current performance.
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All that article shows me is a GPU bottleneck...
Agree. As you notice the CPU usage between 3 and 6 isn't much difference. That's a GPU bottleneck after 2 or 3. If someone was to have 2xGTX 580's, the usage would be a lot higher.

In that bench they are using a 5870 My GTX 470 paired with my 955 is just about right as far as being a match, though I am still being bottle-necked by my 470 as I see it hitting 100 percent usage 10 percent of the time more than the CPU using 3 threads fully in BC2 - so you're going to need either a dual GPU bench with a 6 core proc. or a XF/SLi setup to see any advantage.

My pure speculation is that if a game is to use 6 threads, SB and BD will be fairly equal. If it uses 8, BD will probably win by a small margin.
Edited by pengs - 7/28/11 at 1:12pm
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Sweet,i know what upgrade to do.Now some benches plz
How would you know what upgrade to do based only on price? If price is all you care about I have an old P4 CPU laying around I'll sell to you for $50.
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If anybody reading this doesn't understand the point of what I said up there: Bulldozer will have IPC comparable to or better than that of Nehalem (it depends on the efficiency of the execution units and pipelines, which we don't know much about yet... it could very well exceed the IPC of Sandy Bridge, which also has four pipelines per core). This is an entire new architecture, designed from the ground up. It's the first major change in AMD's architecture since the Athlon 64 eight years ago. It cannot be judged based on AMD's current performance.
Nor can it be judged by simplified hardware schematics that you're referencing. Of course we can expect improvements, but you have no basis to compare the IPC to current Intel processors.
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What most dont understand is that after 3 cores PII architecture is a bottleneck in games. Even if you have 3 x GTX 580s X6 will not get any more FPS then the X4. It has nothing to do with cores but architecture itself. Its like adding HP to a car that cant put the power to the ground. What BD is trying to achieve is put that power down and we will see.
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Nor can it be judged by simplified hardware schematics that you're referencing. Of course we can expect improvements, but you have no basis to compare the IPC to current Intel processors.
Even if there is no improvement in the execution units and pipelines over Phenom II there will be a ~30% improvement in IPC. This is undeniable.

Phenom II's integer cores have three pipelines.
Bulldozer's integer cores have four pipelines.

Phenom II IPC: ~3
Bulldozer IPC: ~4
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