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lol at people who think IPC will match sandy bridge,

im willing to be it wont match lynnfield
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lol at people who think IPC will match sandy bridge,

im willing to be it wont match lynnfield

Lynnfield has a <25% IPC advantage over Phenom II.

Even if there is no improvement in the design of the execution units and pipelines, Bulldozer's IPC will be more than 30% better than that of Phenom II.

People shouldn't use history to try to make performance estimates. People should use architectural details. However, these arguments are usually devoid of such. Usually people's estimates are based on "logic"
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Even if there is no improvement in the execution units and pipelines over Phenom II there will be a ~30% improvement in IPC. This is undeniable.

Phenom II's integer cores have three pipelines.
Bulldozer's integer cores have four pipelines.

Phenom II IPC: ~3
Bulldozer IPC: ~4
Undeniable? There's a lot more to IPC than the number of pipelines You can read a spec sheet but that doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.
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I'm going to take a guess but very good in rendering and video editing and not so good in gaming.
But PhII's do just fine in gaming so unless BD goes backwards where is the "not so good" coming from?
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eh, we will see when Benches come out
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Undeniable? There's a lot more to IPC than the number of pipelines You can read a spec sheet but that doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.
The number of pipelines is almost always the closest whole number to the actual IPC. It's a simple way of making a rough estimate.

Phenom II has three pipelines. IPC ranges between 2.9 and 3.2 usually.
Nehalem has four. IPC ranges between 3.8 and 4.1 usually.
Sandy Bridge also has four, but there's other factors that make it better (including better designed pipelines). IPC is usually around 4.3, I think.
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What most dont understand is that after 3 cores PII architecture is a bottleneck in games. Even if you have 3 x GTX 580s X6 will not get any more FPS then the X4. It has nothing to do with cores but architecture itself. Its like adding HP to a car that cant put the power to the ground. What BD is trying to achieve is put that power down and we will see.
Are you talking about how each core is slower than the competition... or? I'm a little confused.
In some of these benchmarks you can see that the x6 'puts it's power down vs. an x4 PII'; especially on the x264 and Folding marks. The common problem is that 6 cores is not put to every-day use by most applications.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...locking_8.html
Edited by pengs - 7/28/11 at 1:37pm
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What most dont understand is that after 3 cores PII architecture is a bottleneck in games. Even if you have 3 x GTX 580s X6 will not get any more FPS then the X4. It has nothing to do with cores but architecture itself. Its like adding HP to a car that cant put the power to the ground. What BD is trying to achieve is put that power down and we will see.
While I'm sure everything is dependent on situation, this is actually exactly what my thread disproves.

With each addition of another core, the GPU was able to be utilized more, and scaled quite evenly.
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sadly I expect BD to be worse in games

and core count won't solve that
That where gpu comes in
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That where gpu comes in
For real.

The only games that AMD is noticeably behind Intel in today will take advantage of the new CPU anyway. In most games that actually use GPUs properly a SB is only ~5% faster than a Phenom II.
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