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I don't know how tinkering with them gets screwy...? One of the best ways to learn is manually set up a LAMP server without the package manager. That can be done on any system, has moderate CLI interaction and has tons of tutorials. I started manually setting up stuff like that without packages to learn on the system, it's nice on something like Ubuntu too because you don't (shouldn't) have to worry about maintaining the system what so ever.

You can also compile your own packages, use checkinstall to then make packages. There are all sorts of ways to ease yourself into linux with a "windows" distro, you just have to think of all those minor things. I would start with compiling your own kernel.
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Yeah I don't think distro matters much. It's more important to find a personal project that would keep you interested.
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Best way imo:

Grab VirtualBox so you can emulate the OS. And then try as many as you like. When you find one you like enough, give it a real shot on a real machine.
    
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Best way imo:

Grab VirtualBox so you can emulate the OS. And then try as many as you like. When you find one you like enough, give it a real shot on a real machine.
Theres problems with VM though... not all OSs run right through it. Try putting Jolicloud in a VM if you don't believe it. You also don't get the feel of the DE either. KDE and Openbox will use the same resources in VM if assigned as so.

Live CD is better than VM. Yes it may be slower, but you get a better feel for the OS and its DE. Even better is if the distro includes Copy2ram, as that way you get full install snappyness and no changes to your computer.
    
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Theres problems with VM though... not all OSs run right through it. Try putting Jolicloud in a VM if you don't believe it. You also don't get the feel of the DE either. KDE and Openbox will use the same resources in VM if assigned as so.

Live CD is better than VM. Yes it may be slower, but you get a better feel for the OS and its DE. Even better is if the distro includes Copy2ram, as that way you get full install snappyness and no changes to your computer.
Jolicloud is supposed to work in virtualbox
http://jolicloudexperience.blogspot....ox-if-you.html

I don't see the difference between fullscreening a virtual machine, and livecd-ing the os. Both ways you can play with an OS and make a yay/nay decision on it. Either way it's not the same as a real install.
    
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Yah, nothing beats a full install. No matter what people say you don't get the full experience. I really don't like people who say you can because if I went into a Windows forum and said that they'd flame me like I was a wet log. Poor wet logs.
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ubuntu holds your hand a bit too much imo, if your goal is to have fun and learn linux, then you really cant go wrong with arch.

you can get away really really really easily daily with GUI in noobuntu, (im doing so atm.
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Yah, nothing beats a full install. No matter what people say you don't get the full experience. I really don't like people who say you can because if I went into a Windows forum and said that they'd flame me like I was a wet log. Poor wet logs.
I think the thing about a full install is that it encourages you to make it work. While in a VM you can just give up after 10 mins and just return to your host OS.
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I think the thing about a full install is that it encourages you to make it work. While in a VM you can just give up after 10 mins and just return to your host OS.
nah... some times with VMs its generally the VMs fault

with a VM you have virtual hardware, you dont get a full screen with REAL hardware to configure

you also dont get all the snappiness you would with an actual install as you are still running a host underneath

there is a long list of things you cant do in a VM :/ a real install is always much nicer, much simpler, and much more effective to get a good feel

however i will test **** out on VMs all the time as i know the differences between a full install and a VM quite well not everyone does though
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nah... some times with VMs its generally the VMs fault

with a VM you have virtual hardware, you dont get a full screen with REAL hardware to configure

you also dont get all the snappiness you would with an actual install as you are still running a host underneath

there is a long list of things you cant do in a VM :/ a real install is always much nicer, much simpler, and much more effective to get a good feel

however i will test **** out on VMs all the time as i know the differences between a full install and a VM quite well not everyone does though
Yeah that too. I had a lot of trouble installing Arch in a VM, but it automatically worked when I installed it without using one.
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