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Yeah that too. I had a lot of trouble installing Arch in a VM, but it automatically worked when I installed it without using one.
I'm excited to hear this! I've been practising a proper Arch install though VM and have been running into lots of problems, that pretty much just cause stoppage until I figure out what I did wrong. After several tries tries though VM I just gave it a shoulder shrug as the Arch Wiki had nothing for it... so I thought it just wasn't possible. But you just told me 2 things that I really am happy to hear 1) Arch works in VM 2) Arch wont have the problems I have in VM when Installing for real.
    
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Gnome 3 and KDE 4 don't work properly in a VM on Arch because the video drivers aren't very mature. Back in the days of Gnome 2 installing Arch in a VM was a piece of cake. I wrote my Arch Install Guide by working through a typical install in VirtualBox.



And back to the topic... Mint if you just want to get the hang of Linux, but Arch if you actually want to understand it.

Personally I hate the System V init scripts used by Debian based distros. Arch is much easier to understand, since pretty much everything is controlled by your rc.conf file. No dealing with all of those different run levels and symlinks.
    
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Gnome 3 and KDE 4 don't work properly in a VM on Arch because the video drivers aren't very mature. Back in the days of Gnome 2 installing Arch in a VM was a piece of cake. I wrote my Arch Install Guide by working through a typical install in VirtualBox.
Even in openbox the drivers gave me a problem -.-.

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Personally I hate the System V init scripts used by Debian based distros. Arch is much easier to understand, since pretty much everything is controlled by your rc.conf file. No dealing with all of those different run levels and symlinks.
I agree! After getting used to Arch's style I can never go back!
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Gnome 3 and KDE 4 don't work properly in a VM on Arch because the video drivers aren't very mature. Back in the days of Gnome 2 installing Arch in a VM was a piece of cake. I wrote my Arch Install Guide by working through a typical install in VirtualBox.



And back to the topic... Mint if you just want to get the hang of Linux, but Arch if you actually want to understand it.

Personally I hate the System V init scripts used by Debian based distros. Arch is much easier to understand, since pretty much everything is controlled by your rc.conf file. No dealing with all of those different run levels and symlinks.
run levels are beyond useful to set up and sysv scripts arent complicated at all, and quite useful themselves as well

it doesnt have the total simplicity of a more basic set up... but i believe its usefulness out weighs the hour or two it takes to learn how everything works (or less, really not complicated)
Kinda meh now...
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Wouldn't Slackware or Gentoo be something to consider for "getting to know Linux"?
     
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Wouldn't Slackware or Gentoo be something to consider for "getting to know Linux"?
No, those are closer to the level of understanding. Great distros though. Slackware 13.37 is pretty cool.
    
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Yeah slackware/gentoo are more towards extreme understanding. I would say you can simply use linux over the years to get that knowledge. I think of them as more like an unneeded shortcut. Most general information is learned pretty quick, the stuff you learn from those two is mainly info that you would only need with those two or something like LFS. It's good to know if you want to get real hard into linux but even I don't really have all that knowledge. Well, at one time I probably knew almost everything needed but I just don't use that info. Just like I don't really use cli as much as when I started, I'm hella rusty. I can still troubleshoot though and set up any linux system, just use reference links and stuff. I find no shame in that though, when I programmed PHP I used references all the time. It's handy.
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I find no shame in that though, when I programmed PHP I used references all the time. It's handy.
Logic > memory

References are there for a reason
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If you go Ubuntu go for the 10.04 version. I would recommend Fedora though as it requires a little linux knowledge to use, but is not overwhelming. Its a overall solid distro.

Check out distrowatch.com and look through all the distros and their descriptions and see what you think is interesting.
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Sorry, my comments where about getting to know Linux in terms of depth not in introduction experience.

I wouldn't recommend 10.04 since the repos are out of date and what it comes preconfigured with is outdated as well. Really if you're going to recommend a buntu I'd recommend anything but Ubuntu.

I'd second Fedora but be ready to have not have flash setup automatically for you. I'd definitely put it as the middle ground of Linux yet still feasible for a beginner.
     
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