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I wondered why the last 3 winters have been getting progressively colder.

Last winter was a 1 degree shy of being the coldest temperature ever recorded here.
Those who believe in global warming call this 'climate change'. We have been recording the weather on Earth for how long? This planet is millions of years old. It has gone through warming and cooling cycles throughout it's history. Back in the 70's, we were told that the earth is cooling. Then it was warming. Now some say it's cooling again. Those trying to politicize this to gain more control through regulations and profiting from it are the culprits...
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post #102 of 327
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so why are the polar ice caps still melting? whats the cause? polar bears generate too much heat?
Perhaps because bits are breaking off and therefore giving a larger surface area to melt so they melt quicker?
add that to the fact the broken bits drift towards warmer areas and you have a lot to make things melt quicker.

its like taking out a block of ice from the freezer and smashing it with a hammer and expecting the small bits not to melt after you put the big bit back in the freezer.
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I don't really like how they are using the non-neutral term "alarmist", it makes me think they are trying to spin things.

Anyway, the large consensus in the scientific community is that warming is happening. The only details now up for debate is the rate at which warming is occurring and the significance this will have for human, animal and plant populations.
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Does this mean it's not happening?
Does this mean we should continue being a hazard to ourselves and the planet overall?

I think not.

I don't advocate clean and green stuff for the sake of global warming alone, but because it's simply BETTER.
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Those who believe in global warming call this 'climate change'. We have been recording the weather on Earth for how long? This planet is millions of years old. It has gone through warming and cooling cycles throughout it's history. Back in the 70's, we were told that the earth is cooling. Then it was warming. Now some say it's cooling again. Those trying to politicize this to gain more control through regulations and profiting from it are the culprits...
I agree with this. Yes it was cold as hell last winter. Same thing here. However This summer is what? HOT AS HELL! I live in Wyoming and I describe the weather we're having as really hot and HUMID. I live in Wyoming. I grew up learning from art teachers and first hand that it's nearly impossible to water paint in this state. In geography I learned about the Continental Divide. Yesterday didn't rain, it was hot and had 74% humidity. I nearly **** myself when I heard the weather station say the humidity. IT DOES NOT GET HUMID IN WYOMING! Yes Winters are getting colder but summers are getting warmer. Do you think when you could describe the age of the earth as one of a global green house, you think they froze in the winter in that time? Two words: CLIMATE CHANGE!
    
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People still believe in this....lol
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It amazes me how confidently you guys shrug aside expertise. There are scientists that spent 8 years in school getting a PhD in studying the climate system of the earth. They've spent their lives mastering their knowledge and their craft. They have mountains of data available to them, and the scientific method to analyze it with. These people know a billion times more than you do about the subject. And 99% agree that there is global warming and that it's influenced by humanity.

And yet you think I'M FROM THE INTERNET AND I READ TWO PARAGRAPHS ABOUT IT ONCE and you think you know more than the experts. Not only that, but you think the experts are stupid.

Do you carry this over to other topics? Do you like at the plans for a new building and say "all of these architects are wrong and stupid, this building will never stand, I know more about steel and concrete than they do!"? Do you educate your surgeon right before he takes out your appendix because you read something about how using disinfectants during surgery is just a scam from the medical product manufacturers?

You point out simple things like "the climate has changed over the earth's history so there's nothing new here" - do you think they're not aware of that? Do you think the smartest, most knowledgable people we have on the subject have somehow missed this very obvious thing that you know about? Yeah, the climinate on the earth changes over thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. The problem here is that we're looking at it changing over decades. The rate of change is far more dramatic, and our entire civilization revolves around stuff like certain plants growing in certain climates, certain sea levels next to cities, etc.

Do you even understand the basic premise of how this all works? Do you understand that "lol it's cold today, I guess there's no global warming" is a worthless observation? Do you understand why carbon traps heat in the atmosphere? Do you understand why Venus is hotter than Mercury even though Mercury is much closer to the sun?

I mean - you can only either think two things. That these experts on the subject that have dedicated tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of man-hours of research, who go to the arctic to dig up ice cores and launch satellites to exactly map the temperatures on the planet - all of these guys are far more stupid and far less knowledgable than you, some random guy on the internet that read a few paragraphs once, or you have to think that they made it up for no reason and there are just tens of thousands of people in this vast pointless conspiracy and no one has ever blown their cover.

Either way, you're being absurd.
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So what you're saying is that, because they are more experienced in the area, and have PHds and what not...They can't be wrong?
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You don't have to be a scientist to tell the "global warming" jargon is a load of crap.

Global cooling in the 70's, now all of a sudden global warming and some crocks make millions off of it? Sad.
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I'm saying you have absolutely no grounds on which to declare them wrong. You don't have even the slightest inkling of understanding what's actually at work on the issues.

It's very likely they're right, because as we gain more and more data, it has fit into predictions made. This isn't just some wild random idea come up with by some guy - there've been thousands of people working on it with mountains of data. Now the climate system is complex, so there's room for error - but the error probably isn't "is global warming actually happening" but more along the lines of "how much is happening, what exactly is causing it, how much is it human vs natural causes", etc.

If it comes down to 99% of actual experts on the subject, who have data, who have seen their predictions proven correct, and some random guys on the internet going LOL U IDIOTS, I'm pretty sure I know where I'd put my money.

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You don't have to be a scientist to tell the "global warming" jargon is a load of crap.
Really? Then how are you coming to your conclusions? Are you looking at the data and making your own analysis? Are you running the simulations to figure out what's going on?

What are you basing that on? Your gut feeling?
    
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