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thinking that us humans have the power to accidentally destroy the earth is just kinda self-centered dont ya think?
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Western civilisation, as we know it, is heading for calamity, you can't continually expand economically and demographically forever. In the past humans were limited by natural culls. War, famine, pestilence. Technologically, we're rapidly approaching a point where mortality is increasingly limited to accidents. There are too many people on this planet, and coupled with this, they all want to live a "millionaire" lifestyle (for the children reading this, that isn't meant literally), but there isn't enough resources for this, or landfill sites for that matter to put all the detritus when people are finished!

Global Governments realise all this. That we're, they'r, running out of time to continue their way of life. So what can they do about it? If you tell someone to consume less will they do it? No. If you tell someone to drive less, will they do it? No. If you tell them their children are going to die prematurely due to some catastrophe will they change their ways? Maybe.

In the past populations were controlled with religion, without it anarchy reigned, it served it's purpose to control illiterate masses. You tell an uneducated person that if they murder their nieghbour they're naughty, will they care? No. Tell them they'll burn if everlasting fire, if they murder their neighbour, maybe.

Global Warming is the new religion. Mass hysteria population control. Tell the people your actions may harm your children/future childrens well being, and add some scientific "facts", and maybe, people will listen.

For thousands of years, scientists said the Earth was flat.
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Originally Posted by captain_clayman View Post
thinking that us humans have the power to accidentally destroy the earth is just kinda self-centered dont ya think?
Global warming isn't going to destroy the Earth. It poses no threat to the planet itself, and life will adjust to the new conditions soon enough. The Earth and its life will long outlive anything humans do short of some sort of grey goo scenario.

But humans do have the power to destroy civilization. Think about how precarious we're balanced - we have 6 billion people who all rely on massive food production, logistical networks based around the current conditions, etc. If we change too much too fast, it could all come crashing down around us. Think about how much has to go right for us to keep 6+ billion humans alive, and how much a change to the climate could affect that.

So yeah, there's no threat to the Earth itself. But I'm rather fond of civilization and I suspect life would be just a bit less pleasant if we were to trash it.
Edited by SenorBeef - 7/31/11 at 3:21am
    
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Western civilisation, as we know it, is heading for calamity, you can't continually expand economically and demographically forever. In the past humans were limited by natural culls. War, famine, pestilence. Technologically, we're rapidly approaching a point where mortality is increasingly limited to accidents. There are too many people on this planet, and coupled with this, they all want to live a "millionaire" lifestyle (for the children reading this, that isn't meant literally), but there isn't enough resources for this, or landfill sites for that matter to put all the detritus when people are finished!

Global Governments realise all this. That we're, they'r, running out of time to continue their way of life. So what can they do about it? If you tell someone to consume less will they do it? No. If you tell someone to drive less, will they do it? No. If you tell them their children are going to die prematurely due to some catastrophe will they change their ways? Maybe.

In the past populations were controlled with religion, without it anarchy reigned, it served it's purpose to control illiterate masses. You tell an uneducated person that if they murder their nieghbour they're naughty, will they care? No. Tell them they'll burn if everlasting fire, if they murder their neighbour, maybe.

Global Warming is the new religion. Mass hysteria population control. Tell the people your actions may harm your children/future childrens well being, and add some scientific "facts", and maybe, people will listen.

For thousands of years, scientists said the Earth was flat.
They are not too many people on earth at all. If people lived in big houses with gardens and private farm every single human being could live in the Mississipi.

You know where people are dying of hunger and overpopulation? In under developped countries. If every single country was as developped as "evil capitalistic heading toward ragnarok" Japan then every body would live happily.
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Yes research has shown there are cycles...but they go in thousands of years. There has been a thousand year change in the last hudred years as far as glacier ice melt goes. the cause of this rapid change hasn't really been explained though the warmer temps in the poles are probably why. Which would be...global warming.
That's no explanation, that's the consequence (not of human activity btw). Just like others pointed out, there are cycles and the reason why we're seeing them all right now is because solar activity is increasing due to the sun growing older.
    
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Nonsense. First of all, the "sun is growing older" is something we're talking about over a multi-billion year time period. We're not going to see a noticible increase in temperatures in the period of decades or even centuries from that. If you want to make the case that the solar activity cycle (which operates in an 11 year cycle) is causing it - well, you're wrong too - we've been at the bottom of the solar cycle over the last few years with a very low amount of solar activity and yet the amount of heat the Earth is holding onto is increasing. If anything, the solar cycle is actually hiding what would be a greater increase in temperatures.
    
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I also do not understand why " ecologist " are persuaded cars and planes etc are soooo dangerous to the environment... Because they are "not natural" ? Well take goats for example.

Cute little goats. They are the children of mother nature right? They must be harmless or even good for earth right?


4000 Thousands years ago Africa ( and mostly Sahel/Sahara ) were huge tropical forests.
Then man imported goats.
Then goats ate everything
Now we have huge deserts, famine, war and diseases.

All. Because. Of. cellphones, cars nulcear generators, goats
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Even if the increased solar activity is not caused by the sun growing older, it's activity is still increasing. How do you explain that we're hit by more and more solar flares? Yeah it must be because the CO2 we produce is going into space... Now we're discovering that planets like Mars used to have water on them which means they had an atmosphere at some point, were the aliens driving SUVs there? Haven't found any evidence.
Global warming is using a natural occurrence as a scapegoat to make people feel guilty and pay premiums in a lot of different ways: carbon tax, green technology etc.
I'm totally for finding more long term, non polluting energies but blaming our current ones for the massive temperature increase is just stupid. How do you explain all the earthquakes, magnetic shifts etc? There's something going on in our galaxy that's changing a lot of things, far greater than what us little humans could do.
Edited by Emmanuel - 7/31/11 at 3:39am
    
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first a news post about Sasha grey and now one about gaping holes...hmm

take that Prius drivers!
Congratulations sir, I thought I was scrolling through the whole thread searching for someone to notice and post the fact that "nasa blows giant" and "gaping holes" were in the title.

Down with pointless pollution. It's affecting us, and is bad. Let's not lie to ourselves and say it's not!
Up with people that are fighting to protect us, what's the worst that happens, nothing? Clean water and air? I'm all for it! Show me what tree to chain myself to.
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Hmm, this study is from one scientist, working in Alabama, a known supporter of intelligent design and long term critic of man made global warming...

I'll wait for the peer review thank you
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