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It amazes me how confidently you guys shrug aside expertise. There are scientists that spent 8 years in school getting a PhD in studying the climate system of the earth. They've spent their lives mastering their knowledge and their craft. They have mountains of data available to them, and the scientific method to analyze it with. These people know a billion times more than you do about the subject. And 99% agree that there is global warming and that it's influenced by humanity.

And yet you think I'M FROM THE INTERNET AND I READ TWO PARAGRAPHS ABOUT IT ONCE and you think you know more than the experts. Not only that, but you think the experts are stupid.

Do you carry this over to other topics? Do you like at the plans for a new building and say "all of these architects are wrong and stupid, this building will never stand, I know more about steel and concrete than they do!"? Do you educate your surgeon right before he takes out your appendix because you read something about how using disinfectants during surgery is just a scam from the medical product manufacturers?

You point out simple things like "the climate has changed over the earth's history so there's nothing new here" - do you think they're not aware of that? Do you think the smartest, most knowledgable people we have on the subject have somehow missed this very obvious thing that you know about? Yeah, the climinate on the earth changes over thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. The problem here is that we're looking at it changing over decades. The rate of change is far more dramatic, and our entire civilization revolves around stuff like certain plants growing in certain climates, certain sea levels next to cities, etc.

Do you even understand the basic premise of how this all works? Do you understand that "lol it's cold today, I guess there's no global warming" is a worthless observation? Do you understand why carbon traps heat in the atmosphere? Do you understand why Venus is hotter than Mercury even though Mercury is much closer to the sun?

I mean - you can only either think two things. That these experts on the subject that have dedicated tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of man-hours of research, who go to the arctic to dig up ice cores and launch satellites to exactly map the temperatures on the planet - all of these guys are far more stupid and far less knowledgable than you, some random guy on the internet that read a few paragraphs once, or you have to think that they made it up for no reason and there are just tens of thousands of people in this vast pointless conspiracy and no one has ever blown their cover.

Either way, you're being absurd.
To answer the part in bold, yes, they do. It's very frustrating being an expert on something (not related to global warming) and having to argue with some know-it-all who really knows nothing about the subject other than what they gathered from a quick google search.


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Oh, so a study with actual scientific evidence goes against your dogma and you attack it for bias? Ok, acolyte of Global Warming established. Nothing else to see here people. move on....
Please quit being an idiot.

First, where did he point out which side of the argument he was even on? He just said that this source was proven to have a bias, just like he pointed out the examples of NRA/Guns and GM/Automobiles. I wouldn't trust a cigarette company to give me an unbiased article about the risks of smoking, are you really saying that you would? Because that's the kind of argument you're giving right now. You're going to listen to an article published from a group that has a long-standing opposition to global warming, about how global warming isn't man-made?

Let me just point out to you right now before you freak out and decide which side you think I'm on, that I am not on either side. I haven't seen enough definitive proof either way to know that we're having a true affect on global climate change. However, I'm smart enough to know which articles to accept as evidence and which ones to discard as obviously biased. You would do well to learn how to think objectively, otherwise you're just a pawn to the type of people that write this kind of crap.
Edited by lordikon - 8/3/11 at 8:21am
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So believing in intelligent design is supposed to discredit this guy?
Yes.

Would you listen to someone who thinks the earth is flat and at the center of the universe? Would you be interested in anything this man has to say about science?

The answer is no. There comes a point where ignoring basic elements and fundamental parts of science becomes ridiculous. Until he can bring himself to accept the already widely accepted theory of evolution or provide other evidence, he shouldn't be taken seriously. Disbelieving in evolution is past the line in the sand.
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Yes.

Would you listen to someone who thinks the earth is flat and at the center of the universe? Would you be interested in anything this man has to say about science?

The answer is no. There comes a point where ignoring basic elements and fundamental parts of science becomes ridiculous. Until he can bring himself to accept the already widely accepted theory of evolution or provide other evidence, he shouldn't be taken seriously. Disbelieving in evolution is past the line in the sand.
You know you can believe in both right?

I was not aware that the theory of evolution said that humans actually came from monkeys.
It can work intelligent design -> evolution. Why can a being not evolve after it was already created?
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It's cause the Ice Cores that scientist get these numbers from don't go back that far. That would be one HUGE piece of ice, think bigger than Mt. Everest from sea level, to go back that far, figuratively speaking.
I believe you can still extrapolate based on relative age dating techniques
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Yes.

Would you listen to someone who thinks the earth is flat and at the center of the universe? Would you be interested in anything this man has to say about science?

The answer is no. There comes a point where ignoring basic elements and fundamental parts of science becomes ridiculous. Until he can bring himself to accept the already widely accepted theory of evolution or provide other evidence, he shouldn't be taken seriously. Disbelieving in evolution is past the line in the sand.
this is all great within our universe. but whats beyond that? religion tries to go where science cannot. welcome
    
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Lets go nuts and pollute, waste and contaminate till we pass out!
Maybe stuff will get done with far less red tape.
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And every one of those fast extreme changes is believed to have been caused by something massive...like major valcanic erruptions, even a large meteor impact, or a massive change in plankton population in the oceans. All of which will cause a drastic increase in Carbon Dioxide in the air or put so much debis in the air that the sun can't get through.

The natural changes have been shown to occur very slowly...Yet even in the last 50 years dessert regions have increased by amounts never seen before in geological data.

When its all said and done...we might just be pissing in an ocean and not changing much. However, even pissing in an ocean will have the effect of turning your local area into piss...what will it hurt to at elast be mindful of it? Especially when energy production that isn't as bad for the environment is actually cheaper in the long run (read nuclear)
You've really missed the point and I'm also guilty of trolling. There is so much /facepalm in this thread... it's sickening how stupid so many people are these days.

You can forget the truth about human induced global warming. Both sides arguing it are motivated by purely monetary concerns. Global warming alarmists have created one of the largest and most profitable cottage industries we've seen in ages, and while I would normally say that's a good thing, mantra and politics have muddled up things to make it even worse.

Fact: We're polluting the Earth. That will have repercussions.

Fiction: Humans are directly responsible for changing conditions that are primarily driven by solar activity and solar cycles.

There will be consequences for the damage we're creating. Is global climate change one of them? Not likely, but there is still no real consensus. Any changes that we are making as a species is still speculative at best.

If I can say the world is ending, have you believe it so I can sell you the t-shirt... Yeah. My direct correlation is that many people who believe in the Global Warming Gods have bought Prius on the false assumption that they're helping the environment by driving one and actually making things worse. Since there's a buck in it as well as a feel good relief mechanism, you'll feel good that you're doing something about it when you're really just making things worse. Shoulda just bought the Hummer...

I shouldn't get into the micro-debates about co2, glaciers, deforestation, etc... There is still no real proof we're artificially pushing the parameters of a multi-billion year life/death cycle of a star and it's solar system.

Once we can successfully computer model life, the universe and everything, then I'll believe theorists on one side of the debate more than the other when all of the data in it's entirety is still inconclusive.
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Interesting how Dr. Spencer is sooooo biased yet the lords of academia who have never held a real job in their lives and who are totally dependent on the hoax of global warming for their subsistence aren't. All of these "experts" would be out of a profession if man-made global warming was proven false. Yeah, they have no agenda at all, let's take their word for it....
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You know you can believe in both right?

I was not aware that the theory of evolution said that humans actually came from monkeys.
It can work intelligent design -> evolution. Why can a being not evolve after it was already created?
First of all, where did I say humans evolved from monkeys? If you knew your science, you'd know that humans and monkeys share a common ancestry.

ID explicitly rules out evolution because it lacks divine control or intention. There was no overseer involved in the creation of humans, it all started with chance and then millions and millions of years of evolution. ID requires predetermined direction. ID and evolution are two different, competing schools of thought. The belief that an intelligent designer implemented evolution to design humans and basically orchestrated everything to create what humans are today is flawed. It goes against the whole idea of evolution because evolution has no direction and ID does. It's oxymoronic.

Now, you can believe in God and believe in evolution and have no problems with the scientific community, but that's different.

Does this conversation even matter?

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this is all great within our universe. but whats beyond that? religion tries to go where science cannot. welcome
Science is based off of evidence, religion is based off of faith. If you don't like the science or you think it's incomplete, show better science...don't show religion, it's the lazy way to satisfy human curiosity based off of nothing provable. Arguments from ignorance...

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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post
Interesting how Dr. Spencer is sooooo biased yet the lords of academia who have never held a real job in their lives and who are totally dependent on the hoax of global warming for their subsistence aren't. All of these "experts" would be out of a profession if man-made global warming was proven false. Yeah, they have no agenda at all, let's take their word for it....
Lol. Just grasping at anything again...trying to use arguments that were used against you that you poorly attempted to shoot down. Only...we're basing our opinion off of mountains of scientific data, you're basing your opinion off of...well...nothing. Then this one little article comes along written by a biased, lobbyist hack and it totally vindicates your opinion. Wait until you find the one article that talks about how the Holocaust never happened.
Edited by quentin - 8/3/11 at 9:20pm
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Mountains of evidence eh? Like all that made-up BS from East Anglia? Like thermal probes being mounted next to A/C exhaust vents? You are such a sap. Produce this irrefutable evidence please, I'd love to see it. Even the most hardcore zealots of man-made climate change can only admit that their theories are based on supposition and circumstantial evidence.

Why are you so down on modern society? Don't you enjoy your ability to have a nice air-conditioned home, be able to drive to work everyday and spew your enviromental-wacko rhetoric over the internet? What bugs you so much about a high quality of life for everyone?

Whatever though. Its as pointless to argue with people like you as it is to disprove any other person's religion. And thats exactly what this is; your religion. Have a nice day!
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