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Interesting how Dr. Spencer is sooooo biased yet the lords of academia who have never held a real job in their lives and who are totally dependent on the hoax of global warming for their subsistence aren't. All of these "experts" would be out of a profession if man-made global warming was proven false. Yeah, they have no agenda at all, let's take their word for it....
There's much more to climatology than global warming. Anyways, tenured professors don't lose their jobs easily.
Did masses of physicists become unemployed after the ideas of quantum mechanics were discovered?
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Mountains of evidence eh? Like all that made-up BS from East Anglia? Like thermal probes being mounted next to A/C exhaust vents? You are such a sap. Produce this irrefutable evidence please, I'd love to see it. Even the most hardcore zealots of man-made climate change can only admit that their theories are based on supposition and circumstantial evidence.

Why are you so down on modern society? Don't you enjoy your ability to have a nice air-conditioned home, be able to drive to work everyday and spew your enviromental-wacko rhetoric over the internet? What bugs you so much about a high quality of life for everyone?

Whatever though. Its as pointless to argue with people like you as it is to disprove any other person's religion. And thats exactly what this is; your religion. Have a nice day!
You seem to be upset that people should be held accountable for there destructive standard of living. You seem to have a problem taking responsibility for your actions. You really need to grow up, because this type of disturbing behavior is not something that is normal for an adult.

Reread the thread for the mountains of evidence. There's data from NASA, there CO2 charts, don't act dense. Also, learn the definition of zealot...I'm sure you'd consider me a zealot, and I don't consider the evidence circumstantial. Calling any evidence circumstantial just to weasel your way out, well played, troll.

And I just realized that I'm the last person arguing with you. I guess I'm the only dummy taking the flamebait. This back and forth is making it seem like your ideas are actually serious enough to deserve a response. So go ahead and have the last word, I know you need it
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I believe you can still extrapolate based on relative age dating techniques
http://xkcd.com/605/

...feel free to extrapolate.
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Just posting this so you skeptics csn read up on what climate change is: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change .

In a nutshell, it is the general trending of a significant number of factors over time to create a "landscape", if you will, of climatic and atmospheric conditions on this gas-enveloped lump of rock we call Earth. In this flow, interactions of carbon dioxide with these other significant factors is one of the most important players in determining current atmospheric conditions, a player that is tied directly into our hydrological cycle (which happens to be another huge player is climatic trending). I'm sure in the wiki article or anywhere else yoi care to look on the web you will be able to fimd information on cycles and cause-effect relationships for various climatic phenomena on Earth; it may greatly aid you in your arguments on here... or debunk it entirely. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that climate change us something that occurs naturally on this planet system. Positive and negative feedback relationships between and among internal and external factors have kept it habitable for hundreds of millions of years. It is a fallacy to hold that humans are not leavimg their imprint on this cycle, and in the short term, could and are changinh the ecological, hydrological, and atmospheric conditions drastically in the very short term (geologically speaking) to conditions that may have not even existed within the normal tolerances of these various feedback loops (since life began existing). As an unfortunate effect of human evolution, humans have harnessed the ability to manipulate one of the largest factors in the dictation of climate change cycles; releasing locked and creating new co2 molecules (from carbon sources) to the extent that the carbon sink of earth we call oceans have exceeded their solubility and continue to dwindle in co2 carrying capacity as the oceans heat up due to excess co2 not being able to be stored in the oceans. Aka the greenhouse effect interacting with water, the universal solvent. This is not a complex phenomenon, nor is it disputed in the scientific community. It also happens to be the main mechanism through which the current 'global warming' trend can be explained. It is humans that are clearly responsible for this trend; if we plan on being a permanent fixture onto our Earth's ecological landscape, we'd better get our asses in gear quckly and try to nip this in the bud. I'm not saying to make your next pair of shoes yourself or to power your house with a hand crank, but something has to be done. And it starts with not burying your heads in the sand and understanding that our standards of living are only sustainable if we change the fundamentals of how we gather energy trend our technological research in the future.

With that, I'm going to go play some bfbc2 and kill some *****es. Night.

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Hm... the earth is getting warmer. There are pretty dramatic climate changes taking place, namely in the poles. What this data shows is that carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere play a much smaller role then sceintists so far have conjectured. People who believed global warming was/is caused by human polutants are not idiots... they may not even be entirely wrong. Data like this shows that there are very likely other more significant causes that may or may not be related to human activity. At this point, probably unrelated.

Its to bad that when scientists make an observation or a discovery, then immeditiately people have to point fingers insulting brilliant and well meaning scientists for their flawed premises. Similarly, it is a shame that when new data discredits a popular view people have to try and spin it and warp the meaning of these discoveries. We, meaning human beings, are constantly learning new things about our planet that give us new understanding about our role and our influences in it.

One thing I want to point out, is this data doesn't prove that humans have NO impact, nor does it prove that carbon dioxide pollution does not have other negative consequences. I think more research needs to be done to better understand this.
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Everyone seems to think you're gonna see some immediate, drastic change in the climate.

Because of diffusion (thermal, et al), things will try and come to as close to ubiquitous equilibrium as possible within the ecosystem. However because there are ocean currents, air currents, etc., patterns of heat and cool will move around.

What you are going to see is overall averages climb somewhat, with prevailing patterns and systems becoming more intense (cold, heat, storms).

The example of this is what is happening in the south-central United States at the moment. Some of the worst winter cold/record snows in decades in January/February, followed by an overly hot spring (temperatures reaching 100 by late April), and now 40+ days of 100+ temperatures with below average rainfall totals for the 3rd consecutive year.

This is the hottest weather pattern in recorded history (since the 1890s).

I hope, for the sake of people everywhere, that the climate change skeptics are right.

Otherwise, we are in for years of more radical weather shifts on our big blue marble. And being that these patterns happening can/may/will affect the plains and midwest in the United States, this will affect 100Ms of people both inside and outside of our country due to lowered crop yields and higher livestock mortality.

I hope the skeptics are right. I don't want to see even worse times than we already have.
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Is there any sort of backup to this claim coming from other verifiable sources?

Because if not then it merely means that it was posted by the journal not by its scientific merits, but by the fact it could attract attention.

But the fact remains that as the years go on, natural disasters seem to be getting much more severe, even in my home town (Austin, TX) the weather has grown rather... extreme.

Last year we had 90 consecutive days over 100 degrees.

The average temperature for our previous winter was practically 10 to 20 degrees higher then the last.
    
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Is there any sort of backup to this claim coming from other verifiable sources?

Because if not then it merely means that it was posted by the journal not by its scientific merits, but by the fact it could attract attention.

But the fact remains that as the years go on, natural disasters seem to be getting much more severe, even in my home town (Austin, TX) the weather has grown rather... extreme.

Last year we had 90 consecutive days over 100 degrees.

The average temperature for our previous winter was practically 10 to 20 degrees higher then the last.
Now that you mention it, I looked into the paper the article cited amd then the author and found this profile for Dr. Roy Spencer (former NASA scientist and now chief quack of the heartland institute and fox news): http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/per...heet.php?id=19. Sources are listed in the link. This thread should be locked and deleted as the article is written by and based upon shaky science and politically motivated hogwash that barely holds a candle to today's srandards in the scientific community.


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Not sure why this double post/quote thing keeps happening with my ipod.
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Not sure why this double post/quote thing keeps happening with my ipod.
Because you brought am overmarketed overpriced piece of romanian carp, that does the worst damage to the environment of all PMPs that is made by slave labour in death camps in china and india?
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