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I am not sure what will end first...the world or this thread.
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I am not sure what will end first...the world or this thread.
Heh The thread for sure man. The popo going to come lock this up and infract a brah, and that brah is none other than me because I'm not on the left side. However, as we are seeing with the spark that casued riots in the UK, popo no need no good reason to shoot a brah these days.
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NASA has it right on. The Global Warming cargo cult only base their beliefs on a few, short term records that are no more than 150 years old, and none of them can get their mind around the massive influence the sun inflicts upon us. We have had hot, we have had cold, but nothing has shown that we have created Global Warming.

The main reason that I have a dislike for the Global Warming crowd is that they distract the policy makers from their other tasks, like working on reducing pollution of all forms, increasing energy efficiency, and of rationalizing our various systems so that we can all have a better life. And they did so effectively, since the Global Warming crowd are the first to jump on a plane for the Caribbean the moment the temperature falls one degree, and the same crowd that drive their giant SUV to their Global Warming protests, rather than taking a bus or something...

All we know is that the Arctic has been loosing ice coverage, while ice coverage in Antarctica has been increasing - which looks like nothing more than an age old cycle repeating itself, seeing that we have no actual records from observers about this phenomenon except for the short span of maybe the last century.
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I still can't make heads or tails of the "science" backing the many theories about climate change, both for and against; scientific and political. As such the only opinion I can hold is that the argument is ridiculous and needs no further discussion other than in the scientific arena until they get it straight and can make an official report to the public.
 
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NASA has it right on. The Global Warming cargo cult only base their beliefs on a few, short term records that are no more than 150 years old, and none of them can get their mind around the massive influence the sun inflicts upon us. We have had hot, we have had cold, but nothing has shown that we have created Global Warming.

The main reason that I have a dislike for the Global Warming crowd is that they distract the policy makers from their other tasks, like working on reducing pollution of all forms, increasing energy efficiency, and of rationalizing our various systems so that we can all have a better life. And they did so effectively, since the Global Warming crowd are the first to jump on a plane for the Caribbean the moment the temperature falls one degree, and the same crowd that drive their giant SUV to their Global Warming protests, rather than taking a bus or something...

All we know is that the Arctic has been loosing ice coverage, while ice coverage in Antarctica has been increasing - which looks like nothing more than an age old cycle repeating itself, seeing that we have no actual records from observers about this phenomenon except for the short span of maybe the last century.


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"Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal."
- Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
From www.wikipedia.org :

Quote:
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is a scientific intergovernmental body[1][2] tasked with reviewing and assessing the most recent scientific, technical and socio-economic information produced worldwide relevant to the understanding of climate change.


The panel was first established in 1988 by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), two organizations of the United Nations—an action confirmed on 6 December 1988 by the United Nations General Assembly through Resolution 43/53.
There is no question of belief here. We are not talking about religious matters. This is scientific. Leaving politics and economics aside, the facts prove or at least support the theory that the current human civilization is accelerating a natural phenomenon by orders of magnitude. A change in temperature over a long period of time is no worry for any living species because they'll eventually adapt. A rapid and violent change is.

Let's look at the facts and respond accordingly to it. Let's not involve belief in Science any longer. Let's be constructive and open minded.

TL;DR : Fail trolls is fail in scientific field.

-Luxio
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From www.wikipedia.org :



There is no question of belief here. We are not talking about religious matters. This is scientific. Leaving politics and economics aside, the facts prove or at least support the theory that the current human civilization is accelerating a natural phenomenon by orders of magnitude. A change in temperature over a long period of time is no worry for any living species because they'll eventually adapt. A rapid and violent change is.

Let's look at the facts and respond accordingly to it. Let's not involve belief in Science any longer. Let's be constructive and open minded.

TL;DR : Fail trolls is fail in scientific field.

-Luxio
Where exactly is the link between increased CO2 levels and increased global temperatures? The observed overall increase (and decrease) in global temperatures has been tracked at a 1:1 ratio with the observed solar output of the sun. There is still absolutely no conclusive evidence that indicates any amount of increased CO2 levels has had any direct impact on the overall temperature of the planet.

We did these calculations in grad school--in order to effect a 1 degree increase in the temperature of the planet due to CO2 levels (as opposed to solar flux), given the energy pathways available between solar energy and CO2 molecules, the atmosphere would have to be composed of nearly 60% CO2 in order to yield the observed global temperature increases we've recorded over the past century or two--levels that would preclude the existence of most biological organisms on the planet.

The sun's solar output is not constant, and has increased for many, many decades. It doesn't take much to understand the effect that would have on global temperatures.

I'm NOT saying that our increased generation of CO2 isn't bad for the planet, but it does not at all correlate to observed increases in global temperatures.
    
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I didn't know that we have been keeping Co2 graphs for 400,000+ years ... Just because its on a graph doesn't mean that its correct, and how did the ice age start. Oh yeah that's right woolly mammoths were driving SUVs in city centres.

EDIT: And was no one paying attention in chemistry? Co2 is heavier than normal air so if we are putting to much Co2 in the atmosphere then all life on earth would have suffocated by now.
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Are we STILL doing this?
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NASA has it right on. The Global Warming cargo cult only base their beliefs on a few, short term records that are no more than 150 years old, and none of them can get their mind around the massive influence the sun inflicts upon us. We have had hot, we have had cold, but nothing has shown that we have created Global Warming.

The main reason that I have a dislike for the Global Warming crowd is that they distract the policy makers from their other tasks, like working on reducing pollution of all forms, increasing energy efficiency, and of rationalizing our various systems so that we can all have a better life. And they did so effectively, since the Global Warming crowd are the first to jump on a plane for the Caribbean the moment the temperature falls one degree, and the same crowd that drive their giant SUV to their Global Warming protests, rather than taking a bus or something...

All we know is that the Arctic has been loosing ice coverage, while ice coverage in Antarctica has been increasing - which looks like nothing more than an age old cycle repeating itself, seeing that we have no actual records from observers about this phenomenon except for the short span of maybe the last century.
If you'd read the actual published study (http://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/3/8/1603/pdf) you would know this:

1. This is NOT a NASA study. While it was done using NASA equipment, it was headed and maintained by Dr. Roy Spencer, a former NASA scientist and current professor at the Univeristy of Alabama and fellow at the Heartland institute and Interfaith Stewardship Alliance.

2. He pretty much concludes that he can't conclude anything due to problems with sensor lag, fluctuation in anomalous data (even averaged) of conditions between the land and ocean atmosphere and surface, and that the sun's new radiation entering Earth's atmosphere is the main contributor to a changing atmosphere in the short term (10 years, the extent of the study, an already well known fact).


This study has very little significance as part of the whole in the hundreds of thousands of individual climate studies done over the past 10 years. This is ONE study not verified by any other studies to date; it seems to me more of the author of the news article going to town with the study in line with his political views rather than a human-induced climate change debunking scientific theory.

Also, you may want to take a gander at this, an article that was published in the midst of Dr. Spencer's research. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/12/sc...erland&emc=rss

Confirmation bias seems to be running rampant with this one.
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I didn't know that we have been keeping CO2 graphs for 400,000+ years ... Just because its on a graph doesn't mean that its correct, and how did the ice age start. Oh yeah that's right woolly mammoths were driving SUVs in city centres.

EDIT: And was no one paying attention in chemistry? CO2 is heavier than normal air so if we are putting to much CO2 in the atmosphere then all life on earth would have suffocated by now.
Then again drilling ice in the glaciers and analyzing the concentration in CO2 permits the scientists to establish a chart like that. As for the time factor, carbon 14 is all it is needed to point out the age of the material.

CO2 is heavier than O2 because of the additional carbon element. But air is composed of N2 and we all know that N is heavier than C right ? Air is also composed of O and H2S as well as other elements.

And the fact that members already proved in higher posts that solar activity and cycles have limited effect on the global temperature.

As for the temperature chart I'd have to search for that one.

-Luxio
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