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This is an interesting graph.
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I didn't know that we have been keeping Co2 graphs for 400,000+ years ... Just because its on a graph doesn't mean that its correct...
Seriously, that is your argument? Yes people have been keeping Co2 graphs the same way they have been keeping temperature graphs, and graphs of all sorts of data for 100,000's+ years. Its like saying you can't possibly know how old a tree is unless someone was there recording every year since it was planted that it does in fact exist and is the same tree. There are ways to figure these things out without having been there. It is called science. I know that word is scary to some people, but science is a real thing.
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...and how did the ice age start. Oh yeah that's right woolly mammoths were driving SUVs in city centres.
It is agreed that the global climate has changed in a cycle for hundreds of thousands of years. This is a known fact. Nobody is denying that. The last ice age happened over a period of tens of thousands of years. The current data, yes another scary word, data shows that some of the factors that contributed to the start of the ice age (significant atmospheric changes) are also occurring today, but rather than on the scale of tens of thousands of years, it is happening in decades. That is significant, and can not be denied. You can mock it, deny it, call it a hoax, and make fun of science all you want, but it makes you look like an idiot. No scientist's are trying to trick you, take advantage of you, or lie to you. They are doing their jobs. You are the one that is making a fool of yourself.
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So we are at the second coldest period in over 500 million years. Yes global warming is too many times overhyped by the media but climate change is happening. And let's leave this thread to die and let the scientists (real ones, uncorrupted) do the work and draft up conclusions.

EDIT : ^ +1 for wise answer.

-Luxio
Edited by Luxio - 8/9/11 at 2:38pm
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I didn't know that we have been keeping Co2 graphs for 400,000+ years ... Just because its on a graph doesn't mean that its correct, and how did the ice age start. Oh yeah that's right woolly mammoths were driving SUVs in city centres.

EDIT: And was no one paying attention in chemistry? Co2 is heavier than normal air so if we are putting to much Co2 in the atmosphere then all life on earth would have suffocated by now.
You can back-out estimates of CO2 levels from a lot of things like fossils, geological matter, ice packs, etc.--you don't necessarily need to be physically present with a "CO2-ometer" to get reasonable measurements.

And the levels in that graph (whether or not the graph itself is accurate) aren't MASSIVE--they're parts per million. 380ppm is only 0.038%--a relatively small amount, and an amount we have accurately measured for current-day levels. We're not suffocating.

The density difference between CO2 and "normal" air is minuscule, the possible effects of which are further reduced when you consider mass forces like wind, which completely disrupts sheer buoyancy effects.
    
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global warming should be the last thing to worry about. we're probably gonna end up killing ourselves long before that with nuclear war or loss of vital resources.
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EDIT: And was no one paying attention in chemistry? Co2 is heavier than normal air so if we are putting to much Co2 in the atmosphere then all life on earth would have suffocated by now.
...and I thought science curricula in the U.S. school system was poor. No hard feelings.
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...and I thought science curricula in the U.S. school system was poor. No hard feelings.
I wasn't really allowed in chemistry because I know how to make a chlorine bomb and the teachers didn't trust me, that and the teacher was a retard. Took him 2 years to work up what pen-island is. lol
    
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This is an interesting graph.
very interesting indeed
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I still can't make heads or tails of the "science" backing the many theories about climate change, both for and against; scientific and political. As such the only opinion I can hold is that the argument is ridiculous and needs no further discussion other than in the scientific arena until they get it straight and can make an official report to the public.
+1 I think that is all the discussion we need, until scientists can prove without reasonable doubt one way or the other they should all keep their mouths shut and stop scaring people.

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Where exactly is the link between increased CO2 levels and increased global temperatures? The observed overall increase (and decrease) in global temperatures has been tracked at a 1:1 ratio with the observed solar output of the sun. There is still absolutely no conclusive evidence that indicates any amount of increased CO2 levels has had any direct impact on the overall temperature of the planet.

We did these calculations in grad school--in order to effect a 1 degree increase in the temperature of the planet due to CO2 levels (as opposed to solar flux), given the energy pathways available between solar energy and CO2 molecules, the atmosphere would have to be composed of nearly 60% CO2 in order to yield the observed global temperature increases we've recorded over the past century or two--levels that would preclude the existence of most biological organisms on the planet.

The sun's solar output is not constant, and has increased for many, many decades. It doesn't take much to understand the effect that would have on global temperatures.

I'm NOT saying that our increased generation of CO2 isn't bad for the planet, but it does not at all correlate to observed increases in global temperatures.
Great argument. As an addition, who ever said CO2 was *bad* anyway, sure if the atmosphere is 60% that would surely be a bad thing, but I mean plants do need it to survive. Obviously we should try to strive for making as little of an impact on our planet as possible, its the only home we have for now, but in the words of George Carlin:

"The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles...hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages...And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet...the planet...the planet isn't going anywhere. WE ARE!"

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We live on a living planet that has changing weather cycles. Global warming is the Democrats way of scaring people enough that they will vote against the anti environmental Republican. If you don't believe me just take a look at the Farmers Almanac. It lists biggest natural disaster, freak weather patterns and just about anything you can imagine. If you can get a really old copy outside the last 40 years, you'd be amazed at the kind of things that FA reports.

Al Gore deserves a major prison sentence for the sham that he perpetrated on the American people World. Especially since he sold Energy credits to businesses using his standing in the government on information that he floated as truth.

GW or not, just don't litter be responsible in your power and water usage and go out of your way to pick up trash when you see it. That's what responsible stewards of Mother Nature do. I've been living by this motto since I was a kid in Weeblos probably even before then cause my Grandad was an avid fisherman and hated to leave stuff laying around trashing the scenery.

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