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It's interesting that you guys, upon seeing hundreds of pieces of evidence which substantiate global warming, all say "oh, well, that doesn't really matter" but then you get one apparent piece of evidence - created by an outspoken global warming denier who works for an organization that's essentially a PR firm to deny the damages of things that are inconvenient to monied interests - and suddenly it's "yes, this is the one single piece of evidence that blows the whole thing apart!".

It's interesting how thousands of pieces of evidence that don't fit what you want are worthless, but one piece of evidence that fits what you want is suddenly the key that settles the matter.

It says the data has been being collected for 11 years. Did no one notice this big trend despite hundreds of scientists looking over the data - it just takes this one lone global warming denier to suddenly make this analysis and announcement?

I don't actually know if this article has merit. I don't have the technical knowledge to evaluate it, so I'll let a consensus build around it by the science community first. But I think jumping to say "oh, this complex issue? All solved by one dude who's got a hugely biased agenda" is pretty ridiculous and just shows how biased you yourselves are about the issue.
Know why? Because alarmists have to resort to "consensus" and media and scientific pressure to get around the facts. Then they resort to name-calling with terms such as "denier" and "hundreds of scientists". Well guess what, I don't care how many scientists believe something if it's a lie. The greatest scientific breakthroughs were made by opposing mainstream thought. Shutting up challengers and forcing beliefs (not scientific facts) on people is the exact opposite of scientific progress, and yet it exactly what the climate alarmists resort to. Makes you think they're afraid of something...
    
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They are wrong and their scientific models are wrong. They are playing God, and they are predicting things that they have no control over.
That is the best response to this whole thread.
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It was a political deal all along and people have this weird habit of actually trusting politicians.

They can push their agendas and make money how they want it by getting people to play along. It's that simple.

Politicians act like they care about us and get a lot of people to get behind them so they can do stuff. It's fairly simple.
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People view global warming along political/emotional lines. It is pathetic how a scientific endeavor has turned into another lame propaganda drivel. It is like people are rooting for sports teams.

People are so feeble.
There's money involved in the issue so it was inevitable that political propaganda would make it into the mix.

oil companies: "they're gonna make it so you can't drive your family to the park in a hummer convoy!"

environmentalists: "we're all gonna die RIGHT NOW so do your part to help or you suck!"

The human race has more to fear from itself than anything else.. We have a really good habit of shooting each other over disagreements then saying "it's awesome we killed them now we're better off!".
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Anyone else get the feeling that the report directly from NASA was basically a non-answer?

"Well, we noticed that when it was warmer, the earth let off more heat. But when it was cooler, it let off less heat!"

Erm...
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Anyone else get the feeling that the report directly from NASA was basically a non-answer?

"Well, we noticed that when it was warmer, the earth let off more heat. But when it was cooler, it let off less heat!"

Erm...
As global warming is a political issue, NASA need to be careful to not make political opponents.
    
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That is the best response to this whole thread.
Thanks, People are just so naive.
I saw someone say that they can take core ice from a glacier.
The amount of pressure a glacier has to go under to form kind of screws that timeline up.
Your also forgetting the scientifically proven world wide flood that happened 4000 odd years ago.
Also, if all the water in the world was to be taken into the clouds and reform the water canopy, it would take exactly 40 days to fall.

Creationists win.
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Know why? Because alarmists have to resort to "consensus" and media and scientific pressure to get around the facts.
Those damn scientists, always resorting to a consensus amongst the experts on an issue. They should know that real men think from the gut.

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Then they resort to name-calling with terms such as "denier" and "hundreds of scientists".
What term do you feel would be appropriate other than denier? "Skeptic" doesn't fit - skeptics evaluate the evidence and change their stance to fit them, and clearly there are a whole lot of people for which no amount of evidence is going to change their mind.

Pointing to the consensus of experts is not an argumentum ad populum. By that logic, you could say the germ theory of disease being accepted by pretty much all doctors is an argumentum ad populum.

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Well guess what, I don't care how many scientists believe something if it's a lie. The greatest scientific breakthroughs were made by opposing mainstream thought. Shutting up challengers and forcing beliefs (not scientific facts) on people is the exact opposite of scientific progress, and yet it exactly what the climate alarmists resort to. Makes you think they're afraid of something...
I think you envision yourself as the knowledgable few bravely defending against this vast conspiracy of climate scientists - who are conspiring for what reason again? But this doesn't make sense. Most people don't believe in global warming, so scientists advocating the position are working against mainstream thought. Certainly when the first pieces of evidence were coming in, it wasn't on anyone's mind at the time.

There has been no "shutting up of challengers" - as with this study, anyone can still release papers critical of global warming, it's just a matter of whether they're credible enough to have sway with the experts.

What is it that you think they're afraid of? Please, explain this vast conspiracy to me.
    
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I picked this up from another forum:

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The Yahoo news article does NOT link to a University of Alabama press release, as it implies. It links to another site no affiliated with UA. There were no UA press releases on this topic on the UA newsroom website.

The open access journal, Remote Sensing, should not be confused with the International Journal of Remote Sensing. In the open access journal format, authors pay the journal to publish their papers.

The International Journal of Remote Sensing, on the other hand, is a true peer reviewed journal and articles are published based on merit, not on the author's ability to pay.
Trying to play games like this - making legitimate-sounding journals that are similar in name to actual journals but have no real scientific review - is a common tactic among people who are trying to promote some form of BS. And they try to make it sound more prestigious by implying a connection with a research university that apparently doesn't exist.

There are all sorts of BS red flags going on here. You might want to stop patting yourself on the back about how smart you are for denying global warming on this one.
    
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To get to a sustainable level of emissions, we're looking at an 80 year weening off period for most of the world's developed economies and we need to make the investment in greener technologies now if we are to ever meet that target. There's no point in proclaiming that climate change isn't that much of an issue now because nobody knows how quickly the greenhouse gas effect will take place.

If anything, the article is really irresponsible; the current views on global warming are only alarmist because while it is a big issue, no-one wants to take any real action.
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