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I think EA just wants a reason to pull their games off Steam to promote Origin and well doing it they can try to make Steam look like the bad guy. Is it just a coincidence that they're pulling their games right after Origin comes out?

I may be bias tho, I'm a huge Valve fanboy.
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post #32 of 63
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I think EA just wants a reason to pull their games off Steam to promote Origin and well doing it they can try to make Steam look like the bad guy. Is it just a coincidence that they're pulling their games right after Origin comes out?

I may be bias tho, I'm a huge Valve fanboy.
Then explain games for windows live and how you can purchase DLC direct from them in game?

Valve is being just being greedy and is now acting like the spoiled child. Why was nothing said when mass effect 2 came out? All of the DLC you purchase directly from Bioware.

But it's understandable why they are acting like this. Valve isn't pushig out games in numbers like EA. Their most recent games? Portal 2, left4dead 2 and thats about it. So Valve relies on steam to make them money. Of course they are only shooting themselves in the foot now since the biggest name games EA is producing is coming out soon (ME3 and BF3) the millions in sales will by pass them and go directly to stores, origin, and service like direct 2 drive.

If they were smart they should've waited after BF3 to complain.
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Then explain games for windows live and how you can purchase DLC direct from them in game?

Valve is being just being greedy and is now acting like the spoiled child. Why was nothing said when mass effect 2 came out? All of the DLC you purchase directly from Bioware.

But it's understandable why they are acting like this. Valve isn't pushig out games in numbers like EA. Their most recent games? Portal 2, left4dead 2 and thats about it. So Valve relies on steam to make them money. Of course they are only shooting themselves in the foot now since the biggest name games EA is producing is coming out soon (ME3 and BF3) the millions in sales will by pass them and go directly to stores, origin, and service like direct 2 drive.

If they were smart they should've waited after BF3 to complain.
If that were the case, why is it just EA? Wouldn't other developers have a similar issue? Sorry but I think EA is behind this. They need a driving force for Origin and this is it.
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This is like Apple with their app store. They want DLC sold through the store so they can make money on it. EA wants to sell the DLC through the game and that way cut out any middle man, even though Steam is providing the platform that supports said game.

I have to say I side with Valve on this one. EA just doesn't want to give Steam their cut, which they definitely deserve for being the reseller of your game and hosting it and its content, and providing a compelling service that attracts a lot of users. Steam is the 800 pound gorilla in digital game sales, avoid using them at your own risk.

Of course EA does not really care about the PC market and they are willing to take a hit to their sales if it means establishing a customer base for their Origin service. The gaming market is going to be a dark place indeed if they are successful b/c you will see every big publisher release their own digital service and tie their games exclusively to it. Just wait and see everyone, just wait and see.
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Thanks, that's what you get when posting a topic and being hungover

EA sell their DLC in-game and Steam doesn't allow that anymore, that's why they pulled Crysis 2 when the DLC was released and why they now removed Dragon Age 2, they want all DLC to be sold on the Steam store.
WHY can't EA just specialize their steam based games to have the option where in-game when you purchase your DLC, it links you to the steam store?
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This was how it was for Mass Effect 2 from the start. And that was what in 2009? I'm sensing that there is a LOT more to this than Valve is letting on about.

Edit: Also the same way for Mass Effect.
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WHY can't EA just specialize their steam based games to have the option where in-game when you purchase your DLC, it links you to the steam store?
They did with Bad Company 2. This is why this entire thing makes no sense. ME 2 was out before Bad Company 2 if I'm not mistaken. And ME 2 has ALWAYS had DLC via EA alone and NOT Steam, same goes for ME 1.
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Of course EA does not really care about the PC market and they are willing to take a hit to their sales if it means establishing a customer base for their Origin service. The gaming market is going to be a dark place indeed if they are successful b/c you will see every big publisher release their own digital service and tie their games exclusively to it. Just wait and see everyone, just wait and see.
Yes. EA is not the savior of PC gaming. Look at what EA's CEO, John Riccitiello said:

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He (Riccitiello) began, "I would argue that one of the least interesting things about the games industry was that every 5 years you’d see a new console or platform from everybody at about the same time with about the same or similar upgrades or services. You’d sort of harvest it and then it’d cycle back. We got used to it. It’s what seemed normal. But it’s not a particularly smart way to run an industry... bulges in technology investment followed by harvest. And let’s be realistic. Consoles used to be 80% of the industry as recently as 2000. Consoles today are 40% of the game industry, so what do we really have?"

"We have a new hardware platform and we’re putting out software every 90 days. Our fastest growing platform is the iPad right now and that didn’t exist 18 months ago. So the idea that we’re categorizing the industry as being [cyclical]... Nintendo is off cycle with what? I mean, the point of reference is gone. And so Nintendo is bringing out a new platform that brings together some of what we’re learning from new media and new platforms like the iPad and then integrating that with a console. It’s the perfect time for that in the industry," he added.

Riccitiello continued by noting the diminishing returns that increased horsepower has for many consumers. The CEO likes raw power and graphics as much as the next guy (and EA's retail products continue to push on that front), but after a certain point, the power upgrades become inconsequential.

"I think there’s going to be an interesting debate when you get to processing power beyond what you can push up with a 1080p or a 720p [system]. Most people squint between 1080p and 720p, because what’s the difference, seriously? I would argue that there’s more to be provided in terms of value for the consumer in micro-transactions and social experiences and driving those better in cross-platform gameplay between a console and a PC and a handheld device and a social network than there is supercharging graphics," Riccitiello remarked.

"So I think that the pattern against which Nintendo is no longer resonating is over anyway. The idea that we’re going to see the need for step function growth in graphic performance as the pace setting aspect of the sector is no longer the most important thing. But I think it’s important. You’ve seen the Battlefield demos. Look how much better they have to look. Look at Need for Speed. There was a point in time where we were talking about the uncanny valley - we’re on the other side of realism now. And after a certain point it’s like - I do not need to see my LA news announcer’s oversized pores when I‘m watching the news. There‘s a point where it just gets to be [too much]. I always liked the power, but I don’t know if it’s the story anymore."
Basically EA thinks graphics are not important and casual games are the money making market. They do not care about PC gaming.

They are more interested in making games for iPads and charging for micro-transactions. Is this a company we can trust for PC gaming? They rather make iPad games?

It all makes sense why they bought PopCap Games. EA is going to focus on casual iPad games.
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Considering there are many games on Steam where you can buy DLC thru the game and it is not available on Steam itself (like others have listed/said), it makes it seem as though EA is just using that as an excuse to push people to use Origin for their games.
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Considering there are many games on Steam where you can buy DLC thru the game and it is not available on Steam itself (like others have listed/said), it makes it seem as though EA is just using that as an excuse to push people to use Origin for their games.
This exactly. Hell I was even remembering Burnout Paradise and all the Need For Speed games.... Even those you bought DLC in game...... I smell BS with EA's "tale"....
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