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Originally Posted by Cyrilmak View Post
This exactly. Hell I was even remembering Burnout Paradise and all the Need For Speed games.... Even those you bought DLC in game...... I smell BS with EA's "tale"....
Pretty much. I can see why EA wants to promote Origin, but pulling games off Steam isn't the way to do it. People should WANT to use Origin, not forced to because it is the only client that carries it.
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This was discussed in depth in the Crysis 2 thread on the same subject. It was resolved that EA wanted to handle patching and updates and forces vendors to comply. Valve's system uses proprietary steam installs and doesn't conform to this, so blame whoever you want. I blame EA.
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Originally Posted by Dr4g0nK View Post
I think Steam want more $$ for per DLC since they are hosting it on there servers.

Also they are recieving preassure because of there new game program "Origin".

I think this is a bad move from Steam/Valve corporation, nobody likes a bully.
They have been bullying devs for a long time. It's just that no one wants to be the one to call out a company that can make or break them in a heartbeat, especially with such a loyal fan base as Steam.

I personally like competition, as any consumer should. And I like buying games from Origin because you do not need it running in the background ever after installing the game, unlike the rigid closed system control-freaks at Steam want. If I want bloatware unnecessarily running on my PC I will download some smileys or something like an internoob.
Edited by PhillyOverclocker - 7/31/11 at 1:47pm
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They did with Bad Company 2. This is why this entire thing makes no sense. ME 2 was out before Bad Company 2 if I'm not mistaken. And ME 2 has ALWAYS had DLC via EA alone and NOT Steam, same goes for ME 1.
My point exactly, the only EA game I play is BC2...so that is why I think that BF3 might have a shot on steam.
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Previous EA games didn't have this problem because Valve didn't require publishers to sell their DLC through Steam at the time, now they do. That's why Valve is pulling EA games only when DLC is released. No other stores ask for DLCs to be sold on their store, only Steam, but everyone is quick to defend their champion Valve as usual.
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They have been bullying devs for a long time. It's just that no one wants to be the one to call out a company that can make or break them in a heartbeat, especially with such a loyal fan base as Steam.

I personally like competition, as any consumer should. And I like buying games from Origin because you do not need it running in the background ever after installing the game, unlike the rigid closed system control-freaks at Steam want. If I want bloatware unnecessarily running on my PC I will download some smileys or something like an internoob.
It isn't bloatware to most people though. Having a way to easily stay in contact and join games with friends, the in-game UI for chat, achievements, a browser, etc, a way to easily install your games on multiple computers, a way to easily find a launch them without numerous icons, etc, etc. are really nice features.

If someone only had a few games and no friends, I could see why someone might not want those features.

And let's not forget what this ecosystem has done for passing insane deals onto the consumer because of how everything is so interconnected and can essentially be packaged up without much trouble. Discounts as steep and as often as that are pretty unique to Steam. I have a hard time thinking we'll see anything similar on Origin.

I do agree with your first couple sentences and how competition is good for the consumer though. I just think this whole thing is being handled badly by both sides.
Edited by Kaldari - 7/31/11 at 6:10pm
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Previous EA games didn't have this problem because Valve didn't require publishers to sell their DLC through Steam at the time, now they do. That's why Valve is pulling EA games only when DLC is released. No other stores ask for DLCs to be sold on their store, only Steam, but everyone is quick to defend their champion Valve as usual.
Dirt 3 sells their DLC through GFWL only and not on Steam, is older than Dragon Age 2 and Crysis 2 and it still sold on Steam. The argument is invalid.
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It isn't bloatware to most people though. Having a way to easily stay in contact and join games with friends, the in-game UI for chat, achievements, a browser, etc, a way to easily install your games on multiple computers, a way to easily find a launch them without numerous icons, etc, etc. are really nice features.

If someone only had a few games and no friends, I could see why someone might not want those features.

And let's not forget what this ecosystem has done for passing insane deals onto the consumer because of how everything is so interconnected and can essentially be packaged up without much trouble. Discounts as steep and as often as that are pretty unique to Steam. I have a hard time thinking we'll see anything similar on Origin.

I do agree with your first couple sentences and how competition is good for the consumer though. I just think this whole thing is being handled badly by both sides.
As soon as Steam has a near monopoly on PC games (which it's closer to have eryday) you can forget about the Week-End deals and big yearly sales, they only do them to get new customers, there'll be no reason if they don't have any competition left.

As for the friend list and in-game chat you can do that with Xfire and even more. And if you really want to use the steam interface, you can still buy your games cheaper at retail and add them to your game list to have the in-game friends list and browser.
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So the consumer loses because Steam is supposedly greedy which is now truth because EA claims it is. Or at least, such is the premise this thread is continuing on. Hm.

Funny, I rather get a different impression from Valve considering all they have done for gaming, which is a disturbingly great deal more than EA has done for any of us.

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As soon as Steam has a near monopoly on PC games (which it's closer to have eryday) you can forget about the Week-End deals and big yearly sales, they only do them to get new customers, there'll be no reason if they don't have any competition left.
Why the **** would they mark games down 75% for EVERYONE if they are only trying to get new customers? You've clearly never noticed that corporations never offer anything to existing customers unless implicitly asked about it and even then it's a crapshoot.
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Why the **** would they mark games down 75% for EVERYONE if they are only trying to get new customers? You've clearly never noticed that corporations never offer anything to existing customers unless implicitly asked about it and even then it's a crapshoot.
Because they want to keep their current customers happy too, but as soon as there's no compettion there won't be a need anymore. If you really think Valve won't jack up the prices when they're the only relevant digital store left you're delusional. Steam is already the most expensive option you can find in Europe, Bad Company is still 30€ ($43) while you can find it easily for 20 or even 15€ in other digital stores or retail. Same thing for Shogun 2, 40€ on Steam, half in a lot of other stores or websites, and that's just a few examples.

Steam like to screw it Europeans costumers, and the bigger they grow the less insentive they'll have to stop.
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