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Originally Posted by Telimektar View Post
As soon as Steam has a near monopoly on PC games (which it's closer to have eryday) you can forget about the Week-End deals and big yearly sales, they only do them to get new customers, there'll be no reason if they don't have any competition left.

As for the friend list and in-game chat you can do that with Xfire and even more. And if you really want to use the steam interface, you can still buy your games cheaper at retail and add them to your game list to have the in-game friends list and browser.
So you really think the only reason they hold sales is to get new customers?

Yeah, it has nothing to do with deeper market penetration and "making" people buy scores of games they would have never even given a second glance if not for the lower price.

Thousands upon thousands buying your game at a lower cost is much better than a fraction of that buying it at full price. The people really interested in the game or franchise spend a lot initially, then the rest are drawn in with sales.

You're underestimating the power of many, smaller transactions.
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Pretty much. I can see why EA wants to promote Origin, but pulling games off Steam isn't the way to do it. People should WANT to use Origin, not forced to because it is the only client that carries it.
But when you can't compete on the strength of your platform...
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WHY can't EA just specialize their steam based games to have the option where in-game when you purchase your DLC, it links you to the steam store?
Because EA doesn't work for Valve. Developers should NOT have to cater to retailers.
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Because EA doesn't work for Valve. Developers should NOT have to cater to retailers.
20 minutes to change a few codes =/= catering to the retailer.

Steam makes them more money, far more than a few hours wage for a developer to have to change small portions of code. The fact of the matter is we only see EA games getting taken down. This is a war of publishers, not of developers.
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Because they want to keep their current customers happy too, but as soon as there's no compettion there won't be a need anymore. If you really think Valve won't jack up the prices when they're the only relevant digital store left you're delusional. Steam is already the most expensive option you can find in Europe, Bad Company is still 30€ ($43) while you can find it easily for 20 or even 15€ in other digital stores or retail. Same thing for Shogun 2, 40€ on Steam, half in a lot of other stores or websites, and that's just a few examples.

Steam like to screw it Europeans costumers, and the bigger they grow the less insentive they'll have to stop.
There are 2 types of competitive monopolies. The natural monopoly and the coercive monopoly. What Steam has right now is a natural monopoly because it is the best at what it does. Even if Steam were to abuse its power; there are plenty of other digital distributors to go to because there are room for them. A coercive monopoly will not let any other competitors exist and tend to price gouge consumers.
Sure, it may not be the best choice for Europeans; but 99 percent of the time; it is the best choice for us Americans.
I hope I explained this clearly. I don't want to sound long winded.
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So the consumer loses because Steam is supposedly greedy which is now truth because EA claims it is. Or at least, such is the premise this thread is continuing on. Hm.

Funny, I rather get a different impression from Valve considering all they have done for gaming, which is a disturbingly great deal more than EA has done for any of us.


Why the **** would they mark games down 75% for EVERYONE if they are only trying to get new customers? You've clearly never noticed that corporations never offer anything to existing customers unless implicitly asked about it and even then it's a crapshoot.
I love Valve as much as the next guy, but EA has done a infinite amount more for gaming than Valve has. Valve has like 2 dozen games, and that is counting all the Source engine games which are basically the same thing with different skins. EA has developed hundreds of games alone of far better quality and have co-developed and published hundreds more for smaller companies that would not otherwise be able to distribute and market their products.

I really don't know how you even compare the two in terms of who has contributed more to gaming.

Selling a lot of games ≠ contributing more to gaming.
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Funny people are trying to defend EA. I know Games For Windows Live is also a digital distribution yet you can buy games that use GFWL on Steam still and on Games Marketplace. Seems more of a EA doing than Valve/Steam doing. I mean if EA can't do this will all of GFWL will be going off soon?
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I really don't know how you even compare the two in terms of who has contributed more to gaming.

Selling a lot of games ≠ contributing more to gaming.
I meant in terms of value. When was the last time EA gave you anything without having you pay for it?

It's clear that EA's only priority is turning a profit, since they are reluctant to even bother providing bandwidth for content you aren't paying for. As it's already been pointed out in this thread, they are also so absorbed in broadening their market presence and penetration that they don't even do a respectable job of supporting the products people have already paid outrageous money for.

For EA, the standard response to any problem seems to be simply not saying anything until the public anger dies down then releasing a teaser trailer of the next iteration of whatever saga they're bleeding dry at the moment and promising the moon with it... for a $60 preorder.

Steam will let you replace your whole games library as many times as you can corrupt your OS, free of charge, at insane speed. I don't know any consumer alive who has a problem with that, but EA clearly does!
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I love Valve as much as the next guy, but EA has done a infinite amount more for gaming than Valve has. Valve has like 2 dozen games, and that is counting all the Source engine games which are basically the same thing with different skins. EA has developed hundreds of games alone of far better quality and have co-developed and published hundreds more for smaller companies that would not otherwise be able to distribute and market their products.

I really don't know how you even compare the two in terms of who has contributed more to gaming.

Selling a lot of games ≠ contributing more to gaming.
Valve recreated the FPS genre that we know today. Half-Life 2 is thought to be the best PC game of all time. I think they've done a lot for PC gaming.

I'm not biased here because I always state Ocarina of time as my favorite game of all time and Battlefield 2 my favorite PC game of all time.
    
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20 minutes to change a few codes =/= catering to the retailer.
Good lord. That could possibly be the most naive and dare I say moronic post I've ever seen. I'm not even trying to be mean, there's just no other way to say it.
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