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weird ram(i think) related problem, i upgraded to a 570 from a 4870, performance is as expected, i just seem to have introduced a severe stuttering problem in most games, especially open world games (even on lowest settings) where the game starts stuttering (when i look around) and pausing for seconds at a time and the hdd's start thrashing (which i assume is the page file) this never happened with my 4870, i have done a clean install of windows and i experienced stutter free games for a while until i think i installed windows updates and everything magically started stuttering again. memory usage never goes above 3Gb for some reason and am running x64 win 7.

would the best thing to do be to get more ram... short of trying every single update to see which one is the culprit?
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What games exactly?

Would you provide RAM, Paging, CPU, and GPU usage in game?
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GTAIV, Saints row 2, Crysis
CPU usage in GTAIV is on average around 50-65%,
GPU usage is hovering around 30-60%
RAM usage is 2.8-3Gb, ram usage of the game process is about 1.3Gb
commit is 5Gb

CPU usage in SR2 45-50%
GPU usage 15 -35-80%, average is around 40%
RAM usage 2Gb
Commit is 4Gb

Crysis, CPU usage 40-40%
GPU, usually around 95% but gets as low as 5% during stuttering
RAM, 3.8Gb, game Process usage is 3Gb
(after about 5 minutes the game starts stuttering then crashes)
Commit is about 6.5Gb

idle ram usage is 1Gb with a commit of 2Gb
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavelow View Post
weird ram(i think) related problem, i upgraded to a 570 from a 4870, performance is as expected, i just seem to have introduced a severe stuttering problem in most games, especially open world games (even on lowest settings) where the game starts stuttering (when i look around) and pausing for seconds at a time and the hdd's start thrashing (which i assume is the page file) this never happened with my 4870, i have done a clean install of windows and i experienced stutter free games for a while until i think i installed windows updates and everything magically started stuttering again. memory usage never goes above 3Gb for some reason and am running x64 win 7.

would the best thing to do be to get more ram... short of trying every single update to see which one is the culprit?
I'm not sure why I'm bothering to post as I will likely be ignored, but if you didn't have problems with your RAM or page file before you went to the 570, then those things are not your problem. If you were stutter-free after a clean install, then you developed stuttering only after installing updates, then you can reasonably conclude that something in the updates is creating issues with the drivers on your specific hardware.

This is why computer networks at corporations have test systems for updates instead of just installing all updates on every system automatically when they come out. Basically, major updates go into a test group of systems and if after a week or so they don't crash, then (via administrator) they get rolled on out to the rest of the network. You shouldn't just install all updates automatically. Make sure you know what those updates are, what they do, and if they have been known to introduce any instability or compatibility issues.
Edited by Majestic_Lizard - 7/29/11 at 5:40pm
    
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Originally Posted by Majestic_Lizard View Post
I'm not sure why I'm bothering to post as I will likely be ignored, but if you didn't have problems with your RAM or page file before you went to the 570, then those things are not your problem. If you were stutter-free after a clean install, then you developed stuttering only after installing updates, then you can reasonably conclude that something in the updates is creating issues with the drivers on your specific hardware.

This is why computer networks at corporations have test systems for updates instead of just installing all updates on every system automatically when they come out. Basically, major updates go into a test group of systems and if after a week or so they don't crash, then (via administrator) they get rolled on out to the rest of the network. You shouldn't just install all updates automatically. Make sure you know what those updates are, what they do, and if they have been known to introduce any instability or compatibility issues.
I totally agree with everything you have to say, I just don't have any idea of how to go about finding the offending update..
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roll back the updates using the programs tool in control panel. roll them back to the day before the stuttering started. Also check to make sure your videya card drivers are are brand new.
    
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thanks for the help everyone, i snapped and bought another 8Gb of ram. stuttering is gone in everything except for GTAIV in which the stuttering is noticeably less and the problem in crysis was caused by me neglecting to update it after my clean win7 install.
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okay, all of the stuttering issues have been fixed with driver update to 285.62

edit: never mind, I rebooted and it now stutters again.. I think some graphics related process that was interfering crashed on last boot...

edit: getting rid of the 'ASUS Gamer OSD' fixed all the problems
Edited by Pavelow - 11/9/11 at 12:07am
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