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post #31 of 83
sorry made it sound i didn't like quake4. i liked it, just not as much as i did the others

it was a fine game in its own right...but i would've been very dissapointed if idSoftware had released it good it fell upon raven

and doom 3 can still send chills down my back late at night, with the lights out
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I've never played it but apparently there's but a lot of talk about HoN on GNU/Linux.

http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/download.php
Not to mention it's F2P now.
Very good game, by the way A bit unfortunate they had to make it like LoL and opt in for the microtransaction style.
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post #33 of 83
Greetz
While I was incredibly saddened when Lokigames went out of business I am really pleased the work they did still exists and the base install engine is important legacy still in use today. If you don't know what Loki was check this out. Just that the site still exists tells you something.

http://www.lokigames.com/

Then there is the real meat for the present - an archive of all the game installers and even the demos that run, most natively, in Linux. The list is quite big and I'm only showing the "finals" in the link. The betas r0x too and the list is longer. Just backstep through the url and you can see it/them all.

http://liflg.org/?catid=6

PS - Many old games are still worthwhile and renewed because of handhelds but it's the gameplay that determines which lasts and which deserves obscurity.

Oh yeah... obscurity. I am a bit shocked that Nathris would raise up that old myth. While it is true that Linux does benefit from security-thru-obscurity, that is just frosting on the cake. There is a fundamental difference between the deep centralization (all eggs in one basket) and interdependence that Windows STILL HAS and probably always will have, and the individuality and isolation in Linux. Recently someone as "proof of concept" and a huge amount of tweaking managed to install a piece of adware/spyware on Linux and it could do absolutely nothing but sit on the drive.

It's true that operator skills are essential and that Windows can be locked down pretty hard, but the same amount of learning will provide a vastly more secure (and satisfying. imho) OpSys. Now please bury that stupid Myth (which was also a pretty decent Linux game iirc)
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Linux is only as secure as the person that's using it, and somehow I doubt a person that would install spyware on their system would think twice about providing that same spyware with the root password.
This is essentially what it comes down to, a stupid user is stupid, and less you forbid them installing programs from anywhere but the software manager (and ensure that they follow that) then they'll get adware.

That said, the whole software manager thing is a great idea, it ensures that users don't need to find adware to download, if Windows 8 had no-auto admin (So you have to enter a pw when you download an app) then it'd be pretty damn secure just from that.
    
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This is essentially what it comes down to, a stupid user is stupid, and less you forbid them installing programs from anywhere but the software manager (and ensure that they follow that) then they'll get adware.

That said, the whole software manager thing is a great idea, it ensures that users don't need to find adware to download, if Windows 8 had no-auto admin (So you have to enter a pw when you download an app) then it'd be pretty damn secure just from that.
Wow you have me really confused! Windows has a Software Manager? Win 7 Ult 64 does not afaik and no user OR admin is getting adware in Linux. It's almost impossible and even in the test case I mentioned above it still just sat there, isolated and unable to run.

The ability to install software is essential to most users nor matter how unskilled so that is always going to be an issue. Your point about asking for password, however is a great one and Mac OSX does that very nicely since it came out. That might tell people just how difficult the Windows OpSys is to include such security because M$ is expert at taking great ideas, polishing them up and marketing as their own.

A greater issue so far for adware in Windows has been Autorun which recent patches severely, and I should add expertly, limits and vastly improves Win 7's resistance to adware.

Back on topic, if you haven't tried an identical native game on the same box in both Linux and Windows to feel the difference low latency brings you're really missing out.
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I'd hate to have to use one of enorbet2's computers. Sounds like I'd have to ask him for permission every time I want to run a program.

At this point I'm not even sure you know what adware is. Its effectively non-malicious. It doesn't require root privileges and could run entirely in the home directory.

Or have you forgotten that you can simply add an entry to ~/.config/autostart to get applications to start when the user logs in? No root password required.
    
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post #37 of 83
INstall Wine
Find guide on how to install HL2 on wine
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post #38 of 83
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Greetz
I'm going to assume you actually think this is true and not trolling. So..o.o.o

Did you know.....?

1) Linux can be substantially more secure on all levels.

2) Freedom from Spyware affects all levels of function, including games. Less wasted time in maintenance means more time actually gaming.

3) Linux runs many games better

A) Online - Linux's TCP/IP stack is vastly superior to XP's (still the most common desktop OpSys) and considerably superior to Win7's. Example: Even with the added layer of Wine I get an average of 106ms latency on Win7 Ult 64 but only ~50ms with Linux in WoW. With native the difference is nothing short of compelling.

B) Software - Linux, being Open Source, including native game configuration is fully available to the use for tweaking and optimization. We don't even need to mention The Registry (and Linux's lack of any such monstrosity), do we?

C) Hardware - Microsoft forbids not only you and I from access to the kernel but also other Corporations such as in those that need to make drivers. Not too long ago reviewers stated that they considered nVidia's Linux driver to be superior to their Windows driver probably because of unlimited access.

OTOH all drivers and hardware can benefit from Linux's ability to reduce not only network latency but ALL latency such as the time between you hitting a key or mouse button and the time it actually causes action. In Windows that is commonly in excess of 19msec whereas a "stock" Linux kernel does the same action in less than 10msec. A low latency, realtime kernel, which can be built by anyone or simply downloaded and installed as a menued option, can edge 1msec !!!

Believe me you can feel this! It can be a huge edge against other players who are constrained by essentially reacting to the past. I'm swimming in water...you're swimming in syrup.

3) There is actually much more, but I have to ask you, isn't that enough?
Yes. I know all of this. I run Fedora 14 on my HTPC because i ran out of windows licenses.

I just honestly dont see any REAL advantages to using linux over windows.

Sure, its more secure, windows is secure enough. And when you say linux runs games better than windows.. Thats a lie, because you need wine to run anything worth playing.

I dont hate linux, but if you can run windows.. Why not? There is alot more application development and support.
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Wow you have me really confused! Windows has a Software Manager? Win 7 Ult 64 does not afaik and no user OR admin is getting adware in Linux. It's almost impossible and even in the test case I mentioned above it still just sat there, isolated and unable to run.

The ability to install software is essential to most users nor matter how unskilled so that is always going to be an issue. Your point about asking for password, however is a great one and Mac OSX does that very nicely since it came out. That might tell people just how difficult the Windows OpSys is to include such security because M$ is expert at taking great ideas, polishing them up and marketing as their own.

A greater issue so far for adware in Windows has been Autorun which recent patches severely, and I should add expertly, limits and vastly improves Win 7's resistance to adware.

Back on topic, if you haven't tried an identical native game on the same box in both Linux and Windows to feel the difference low latency brings you're really missing out.
Windows 8 is getting an "app store".

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And when you say linux runs games better than windows.. Thats a lie, because you need wine to run anything worth playing.
It can though, quite a few games I play tend to run better in Linux than in Windows. (Sins of a Solar Empire, Gearhead Garage, AoE2, I also think WoW does.)
    
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INstall Wine
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Profit
we were talking native games however, if you want to get on the subject of stuff that runs perfectly in wine... its quite a long list

Quote:
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Yes. I know all of this. I run Fedora 14 on my HTPC because i ran out of windows licenses.

I just honestly dont see any REAL advantages to using linux over windows.

Sure, its more secure, windows is secure enough. And when you say linux runs games better than windows.. Thats a lie, because you need wine to run anything worth playing.

I dont hate linux, but if you can run windows.. Why not? There is alot more application development and support.
then you are obviously not a linux user using linux on one computer because its a free solution does not automatically mean you understand all the benefits of linux

most windows users wouldnt think twice about using a command line, most experienced linux users highly prefer a command line i can get stuff done much faster via command line in linux than i ever have been able to in windows, plus i can do many things in linux command line with all the sweet CLI tools that are impossible in windows

even some windows users would prefer to use cygwin and get a linux style command line in windows when they have to run it, some of the tools are there but not all by any means

then ofc you get into the benefits of things like package managers, and security updates (aside from the already secure logic behind everything linux will get security updates much more frequently as soon as the fixes are done) and then you get small advantages that mean a lot to some people like the ability for 100% uptime

the list goes on and on...

i just dont understand how a gaming in linux thread always attracts mindless windows fanboi trolls :/ they must feel threatened i guess...
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