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when games are made for Linux, they preform better then in windows you know
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I think Wine is amazing at what it can do but it just feels so dirty bringing in Windows into Linux.
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when games are made for Linux, they preform better then in windows you know
Even when they don't, sometimes.

Eg. Sins of a Solar Empire, The Sims 3 and WoW run faster on Linux than Windows, I think because of the superior CPU and RAM management.
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I got ut2004 installed finally works great, I just need to put vsync off and I'll be happy

Warsow is definitely on the list, I remember it being there. Very good alternative to quake if you ask me.
installed ut2k4 via the anthology dvd? or the ut2k4 discs? im curious cause if you used the anthology id like to know how you went about it

and warsow IS quake lol... its built on the idtech2 engine (quake2) and uses physics very similar to something like cpma (very very good and professional level quake3 mod) many of the weapons are classic quake weapons renamed as well, the only really unique factors about warsow is the strong vs weak ammo, the art style, and the dash ability

it would honestly be better just to skip warsow all together and run quakelive as its management is MUUUCH easier its all in your browser too, so as long as you use firefox or iceweasel its a complete breeze to make work in your linux installations... not to mention, its also free just like warsow
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@enorbet: That's the sad thing. I don't try with the games in WINE because I don't want to have done all the work to get them up and running only to find they barely run as well as they could. I mean it took me a whole hour just to get the binary drivers from nvidia to work finally. And sadly that is about the most I want to invest in getting something to work when I don't know how the performance will be.
Just because you don't like broccoli doesn't mean you shouldn't try asparagus or corn. True some games suffer in Wine, but some, like WoW, even run better than in Windows despite the added layer. The Wine Community Database is pretty decent in publishing user experience so you can get at least an idea what to expect. Because it is always true that YMMV, if the game is that important, try it on your setup and see for yourself.

As for those that say they "feel dirty" using Wine, I do have considerable rapport, but for me the bottom line is functionality and freedom. If it works and does what I want, I'm there. I don't care much if she doesn't respect me in the morning.


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I laughed at when you were talking about the size of files for Rage and could just imagine the game having to be defraged after every play on a NTFS partition. Does this mean Rage will be the first PC game released on Bluray? Oh the trouble that would cause.
Although NTFS is a decent FS and has gotten some better, you may recall that it was up for replacement when both Vista and 7 were in production though that might have been just vaporware bullet points. The size of pk3 files is very small as they can be compressed at exceptionally high percentages because compression benefits from repeating patterns, so it shouldn't present a problem even to NTFS. Sure does preclude downloading the game by all but the most hardcore though eh?

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Now I had a crazy dream that I know will likely never come true but I just dream about a SteamOS. I mean it would be awesome to just have an entire OS dedicated to gaming and making gaming better. So you wouldn't have to worry about the bloat of windows. Crazy dream I know.
I don't think this dream is crazy at all. Not only could you do a decent job yourself, but those in the know say the commercial future of Linux is in niche markets because it is so customizable on so many levels.

On another and more immediate subject, is the reason you struggled with nVidia drivers because of Ubuntu and it's slavish dedication to OSS? If so I highly recommend you either learn to disable all their st00pid restrictions or move on to a more "Free for You" distro. Just for the record I have never had trouble installing and upgrading nVidia drivers in over 10 years, except with Ubuntu. Part of that comes from setting up runlevels to boot to CLI and not direct to desktop, but that's another thread.

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@enorbet: I will look at the WINE database but I've sadly got things that prevent me investing the time (besides being lazy which I can usually overcome); I got Win7 for free and if I don't game I'm down to next to no reasons to have it which isn't bad but; it's kind of my back up in case I somehow break a distro (and the same with my Linux drive being a back up in case windows breaks). And finally there is the looming stress of classes/work (if I'm lucky). I'm not a very fast person.

I think the day M$ gives up on NTFS is when they either don't exist any more or have a new file system with similar problems (got to have the defrag need around right?). Though I feel like I learned something today with your explanation on pk3. I just don't think I'll buy Rage through Steam if it's as massive as it's made out to be. I only have maybe a 5Mbps max down.

I do dream one day to maybe be able to Arch or LFS into my own creation but that's not any time soon especially considering how much problems WIFI cards and NICs are for me. If they're not automatically dealt with I never seem to get them working.

As for sticking with Kubuntu. It's really to me a different experience. I always had problems with Ubuntu but this nouveau thing has been the only "major" one with Kubuntu I've had in my use with it. Major being that I had to go through a lot of guides until I found one that actually worked.

As for gaming in Linux I'm kind of just happy with something as "oldschool" as SuperTux since I can run it on the netbook when I'm bored. But more native games like Warsow would be awesome of course.
     
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Why cant you do this? Arch or custom compile, then have it auto start the Linux native version Steam. Just add drivers... and serve over Ice. Completely doable, even for a non-expert.
rookie doesn't need another "os" in his signature

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@enorbet: I will look at the WINE database but I've sadly got things that prevent me investing the time (besides being lazy which I can usually overcome); I got Win7 for free and if I don't game I'm down to next to no reasons to have it which isn't bad but; it's kind of my back up in case I somehow break a distro (and the same with my Linux drive being a back up in case windows breaks). And finally there is the looming stress of classes/work (if I'm lucky). I'm not a very fast person.

I think the day M$ gives up on NTFS is when they either don't exist any more or have a new file system with similar problems (got to have the defrag need around right?). Though I feel like I learned something today with your explanation on pk3. I just don't think I'll buy Rage through Steam if it's as massive as it's made out to be. I only have maybe a 5Mbps max down.

I do dream one day to maybe be able to Arch or LFS into my own creation but that's not any time soon especially considering how much problems WIFI cards and NICs are for me. If they're not automatically dealt with I never seem to get them working.

As for sticking with Kubuntu. It's really to me a different experience. I always had problems with Ubuntu but this nouveau thing has been the only "major" one with Kubuntu I've had in my use with it. Major being that I had to go through a lot of guides until I found one that actually worked.

As for gaming in Linux I'm kind of just happy with something as "oldschool" as SuperTux since I can run it on the netbook when I'm bored. But more native games like Warsow would be awesome of course.
its pretty easy to disable noveau.

echo options nouveau modeset=0 | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau-kms.conf
sudo update-initramfs -u

restart.

it should restart in vesa mode, drop out of x, open terminal:

sudo service gdm stop

might have to switch to another console (ctrl+alt+f#), login, and install the nvidia drivers.

there are other ways to do it, but they don't always work or are complicated (like passing kernel parameters to grub), you could always recompile a kernel without the nouveau driver, but thats cumbersome and annoying.
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Even when they don't, sometimes.

Eg. Sins of a Solar Empire, The Sims 3 and WoW run faster on Linux than Windows, I think because of the superior CPU and RAM management.
don't forget it uses a faster file system
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its pretty easy to disable noveau.

echo options nouveau modeset=0 | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau-kms.conf
sudo update-initramfs -u

restart.

it should restart in vesa mode, drop out of x, open terminal:

sudo service gdm stop

might have to switch to another console (ctrl+alt+f#), login, and install the nvidia drivers
.

there are other ways to do it, but they don't always work or are complicated (like passing kernel parameters to grub), you could always recompile a kernel without the nouveau driver, but thats cumbersome and annoying.
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No offense to anyone with the possible exception of the *Buntu team but this is why I can't figure out why everyone thinks Slackware is so hard.

To me... THIS is easy =====>
Boot to CLI
run nvidia installer and let it alter xorg.conf to use "nvidia"

DONE!
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last time i tried out slackware, i want to say it was 13.37, i had to blacklist the nouveau driver in the modprobe.d and then restart before i could install...

its a bit more involved in ubuntu to install nvidia drivers, but if you update to a ppa that uses up to date nvidia drivers, its actually quite easy to install nvidia-drivers:

(as of this writting, 8/04/11, nvidia-current will get you 280.13, i've been using this ppa for awhile, about 5 months, its kept up to date afaik)

sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
sudo apt-get update && apt-get install nvidia-current

restart and its already setup for you thru nvidia-settings...i know it takes away some of the fun of hands on, but we are talking about different distro philosophies here
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