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I have 2 Samsung HDD's, a HD204UI (EcoGreen F4) and a HD103SJ (SpinPoint F3).

I plan to get rid of ye olde Caviar SE's on my sig rig (good riddance, even tho they're still working flawlessly), and get the F3 and F4 as boot and data discs, respectively.

I got several questions about them.

1) I just got the F4 from a local computer shop this afternoon. I haven't even formatted it yet. Before moving all the data from my F3, i decided to check out Google and see if there is any firmware update for it. Alas, i found it, the A37. Supposedly it fixes some errors that may cause data loss. I installed it, and no problems on it. I also know it won't change the firmware version (checking on HD Tune). But, i found another upgrade, the A38. What confuses me, the A38 seems to have been made before the A37, so i'm confused if i should also install the A38 or should i keep the A37.

Also, i don't know how to test it for long-term stability. Do i use the same ESTOOL provided by Samsung, or can i use SpinRite/HD Tune/other tool to test it?

2) I got some plans for the F3. It involves short-stroking it. I've been running some tests on HD Tune, but i found some discrepancies. As far as i know, the smaller the partition the faster would it be. but i tried these two scenarios:

- SS'd 120 GB, Read
+ Transfer Rate
Min: 92.1 MB/s
Max: 142.6 MB/s
Avg: 124.6 MB/s
+ Access Time: 9.79 ms
+ Burst Rate: 206.6 MB/s

- SS'd 160 GB, Read
+ Transfer Rate
Min: 97.4 MB/s
Max: 141.4 MB/s
Avg: 126.2 MB/s
+ Access Time: 10.0 ms
+ Burst Rate: 202.3 MB/s

Why is the 160 GB partition faster than the 120 GB? Or are the burst rate and access time more important?

Also, i do not plan the rest of the disc to go to waste. I plan to use the small partition for the OS and main data, second part for games, and the F4 for my documents/photos/videos/misc data/game saves/temporary backups. Will it hinder the primary partition performance if i still use the whole disc?

Also, no comments about getting SSD's. They're too expensive and small for my budget. Maybe someday, down the road, i'll get one, but not at the moment. Hell, i'm happy riding on my Caviars, and that RAID 0 array is way slower than the full F3:

- F3 Full, Read
+ Transfer Rate
Min: 56.1 MB/s
Max: 139.2 MB/s
Avg: 101.7 MB/s
+ Access Time: 16.4 ms
+ Burst Rate: 198.2 MB/s

- Caviar SE RAID 0, Read
+ Transfer Rate
Min: 50.1 MB/s
Max: 115.2 MB/s
Avg: 92.2 MB/s
+ Access Time: 14.3 ms
+ Burst Rate: 171.7 MB/s
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im not sure if this applies to the EcoGreen F4 as well, but for Spinpoint F4:
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As long as the manufactured date is after 11-2010 then the unit has already been applied the patch.
i have a spinpoint f4 drive with the A37 firmware and havent had any problems. if youre going to flash it, id recommend A37.

to answer the second question, access time is more important for the os partition. any program that can access the SMART data should be fine. HD Tune is pretty good since you can access the SMART data, run error scans, monitor the health and temps.

im not that knowledgeable with short stroking drives since ive never done it myself. that said, i think the second partition for games will reduce the performance of the os partition only if you need to read data from both partitions at the same time. if you only need data from the os partition (like during boot) then the needle can dedicate itself to the short stroked partition. but if you need data from both partitions simultaneously, the needle will have to split time between the 2, decreasing performance.
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im not sure if this applies to the EcoGreen F4 as well, but for Spinpoint F4:
i have a spinpoint f4 drive with the A37 firmware and havent had any problems. if youre going to flash it, id recommend A37.

to answer the second question, access time is more important for the os partition. any program that can access the SMART data should be fine. HD Tune is pretty good since you can access the SMART data, run error scans, monitor the health and temps.

im not that knowledgeable with short stroking drives since ive never done it myself. that said, i think the second partition for games will reduce the performance of the os partition only if you need to read data from both partitions at the same time. if you only need data from the os partition (like during boot) then the needle can dedicate itself to the short stroked partition. but if you need data from both partitions simultaneously, the needle will have to split time between the 2, decreasing performance.
My drive was manufactured on 01/2011, but reflashed anyways. Keeps working and benching on HD Tune, but i still have not formatted it, as i kinda don't wanna lose the data on my F3.

I have a hunch using two partitions on the short stroked F3 would decrease performance, so should i use the F3 completely if i plan to use the whole capacity, or will SS'ing it be of any good?
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