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AKA. SUCK IT GNOME 3.
    
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I don't get it. You can run Gnome 3 in fallback mode and it's basically Gnome 2.
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just gnome2 revived? sweet
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yes cause DE forks always last...
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I don't get it. You can run Gnome 3 in fallback mode and it's basically Gnome 2.
Yep. And Windows is basically Linux.

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yes cause DE forks always last...
I don't really care about new features. Hell, its still newer than the Gnome used by Debian, CentOS etc... The guy has forked all of the packages, so I can update my system without worrying about compatibility.
    
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I don't know if he plans on adding any new features, but so far this is a way to get Gnome 2 running back in Arch Linux

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I don't get it. You can run Gnome 3 in fallback mode and it's basically Gnome 2.
Although it seems like would be "basically Gnome 2", the applications still run as GTK3. That means if you have a cool gtk2 theme that hasn't been ported, you can't use it even in fallback mode.

The guy who started this is Argentinian (mate = traditional argentinian herb drink). I remember when he posted it on the Arch Linux forums, and he made the custom repo for Arch Linux.

So far I support it, but his is the only mirror, and it takes forever to download directly from Argentina. I don't think he plans on making it too different from Gnome 2.
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330mb at 50kb :/

Its missing a few things as well, like gnome-power-manager, and for some reason you can't set the transparency of panels (you can still set it manually in gconf however)

But even with that, its still far less buggy than any other DE, and for some reason its a heck of a lot more responsive than Mint 11. I was running Mint before, and you couldn't even tell I had an SSD.
    
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Yep. And Windows is basically Linux.
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Although it seems like would be "basically Gnome 2", the applications still run as GTK3. That means if you have a cool gtk2 theme that hasn't been ported, you can't use it even in fallback mode.
Forgive my ignorance, as I was never a huge Gnome user, but wouldn't the real solution be just to downgrade to the last Gnome 2 and set pacman to ignore the packages? I mean if you start hitting any dependency errors once you've done that, it pretty much means you're living in the past and Arch might not be the right distro for you. Ultimately, I see the real solution is to stop being lazy and port your favorite GTK2 theme to GTK3 so there's a wider selection of themes for the new standard. GTK3 is the future. All your doing is keeping it from having a wider theme selection while you continue living in the past.

I realize things aren't exactly to your liking with Gnome 3 just yet. But when Gnome 2 was first released it was just as rocky. Eventually things will get polished and it'll grow on you. Until then, all you're doing is making the time until that happens longer.


Congratulations on finding another one of the DEs that are attempting to be a fork of Gnome 2. Most likely it will die fairly soon, just like the rest.
Edited by Jimi - 7/30/11 at 6:42pm
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Forgive my ignorance, as I was never a huge Gnome user, but wouldn't the real solution be just to downgrade to the last Gnome 2 and set pacman to ignore the packages? I mean if you start hitting any dependency errors once you've done that, it pretty much means you're living in the past and Arch might not be the right distro for you. Ultimately, I see the real solution is to stop being lazy and port your favorite GTK2 theme to GTK3 so there's a wider selection of themes for the new standard. GTK3 is the future. All your doing is keeping it from having a wider theme selection while you continue living in the past.

Its not a GTK2-GTK3 thing. You can have both running at the same time.

Its simply that most of the packages have the same name. I'm not going to blacklist 1000 packages just to maintain Gnome 2.


And its not living in the past. Its preferring to stick to a stable DE that wasn't thought out by complete idiots. Gnome 3 isn't better than Gnome 2. Its just different. The Gnome devs decided to be different for the sake of being different, not because what they were doing was inherently better.

Gnome 3 is actually fairly stable, so unlike KDE 4, which was a good idea marred by poor execution, Gnome 3 is a good execution marred by a bad idea. Its incredibly resource hungry, completely lacking in features, and very poorly thought out. They should have kept the name "Gnome Shell" since its literally just an empty shell compared to Gnome 2. Having to alt click the power control to show the shut down option, for example, then not mentioning that anywhere is just bad.

And you simply cannot run it on a laptop. I take around a 30% battery hit running Gnome 3 compared to Gnome 2. That's beyond unacceptable.

And this is Gnome we're talking about. They'll promise to add things like settings menus to features, but will end up replacing the feature entirely with a cheap workaround. It will be years before Gnome 3 is even usable on a daily basis. I wouldn't be surprised if 3.1 ditches fallback mode entirely, rather than adding back the essential functionality they hacked out of 2.32.

But this hasn't occurred to the Arch devs. The fact that Ubuntu would rather design their own DE than use Gnome 3 apparently didn't tip them off.

But then the people who maintain Arch don't think at all. They'd rather update simply for the sake of updating. If Linus went insane and kernel 3.1 was just small program that did nothing but draw a giant ASCII penis on the screen, I have no reason to doubt that Arch would add it to the repo, rather than wait for the insanity to die down.

Gnome has messed with something that simply shouldn't be messed with. Imagine if the New York Times suddenly decided that reading left to right was too archaic, and starting printing their columns top to bottom? Some things are done a certain way for a reason. The desktop metaphor is one of them. The fact that its still basically the same idea dreamt up by Xerox PARC nearly 40 years ago means it was a good idea, and we shouldn't change it.

If you do want to change it, then don't do it in a major release of an immensely popular DE, that thousands of developers base their work off of.

Gnome Shell has been in development for over 3 years, and yet you can't do something as simple as change the panel colour? That's incompetence on a level beyond even Microsoft's wildest dreams.
    
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the above post made me chuckle...
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