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I agree with you that it is faster. And it doesn't seem like money is really an issue here. Otherwise I would say settle for the 480 tongue.gif
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What kinda power supply do you need to power that Matrix? That thing is a beast from what I've heard. I'd go with the 580.
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Problem Solved if your a gamer: http://www.guru3d.com/category/vga_charts/
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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud;14416770 
A 3GB GTX580 wouldn't hurt a single thing for future proofing. Who's to say that another big name game next year won't utilize that much VRAM? Who's to say the OP won't buy 2 more monitors while he has that card, and SLI's it?

For a single monitor, you obviously have gone for a pair of AMD cards. That's great. However, for a problem FREE experience (micro stutter, driver issues, heat issues, games not using Crossfire / SLI, etc), I think its ALWAYS a smart idea to grab the strongest single GPU card you can buy, and then dual it up later if you feel you need to.

I agree, the choice is quite clear. Buy 2 6950's now, and have absolutely no upgrade path, and tons of issues. Or go with 1x 580, and game to your heart's content.

And have no upgrade path? With due respect, that's absurd. In effect, opting for a pair of 6950s arrives you higher-up the "upgrade path". It's as easy to verify as it is easy to navigate Google (or through links already posted throughout the thread). Strictly focusing on the factor of performance, it's an irrefutable win for the crossfire Cayman XTs.

As regarding the "problem FREE" declaration of the single GPU experience, well, it's an assertion refuted by recent releases in regard to both camps. Dragon Age 2 enjoyed a disastrous adoption by Nvidia hardware, after all. Was that a problem? Unless a driver released addressing this abysmal performance wasn't a "problem"? Following that fallacious claim (single GPUs are perfect, dual GPUs is fail) the oft repeated, ad nauseum claim of Crossfire being buggy, plagued with glitches, poorly supported, and sluggishly updated is absolute rubbish. The transgressions of previous generations have apparently marched right along with the Cayman architecture, in spite of the widespread & consistent reporting to the contrary! Just ask a GTX 580 user.

Other sources, however, (in correlation of my extensive hands on experience) testify that the Crossfire system was extensively redesigned back in Catalyst 10.2 & was darn near perfected alongside Cayman's release.
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Crossfire was rearchitected some time ago (in fact, the pretty cool scaling you see now on high end GPU's owes a lot to that rearchitecture):

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphic...-display-users

http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-C...w-135289.shtml

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Another critical update that will be enabled in the Catalyst 10.2 is the rearchitecture of CrossFire. According to the chip maker, the new drive will see some of the CrossFire code moved from the 3D drive to a separate driver component, in an attempt to prepare the Catalyst Software Suite for future AMD products, namely the much-anticipated Fusion products, such as the 2011-bound 'Llano' APU. In addition, the separate drive will also enable users to mix and match ATI graphics cards from different generations.

I own over 100 titles, & virtually every "C" & higher release over the last two years. I run games in 3x1 & 5x1 portrait Eyefinity mode with four Cayman Pro GPUs (on two PCBs). Last generation, I ran dual 5970s for weeks in freshly minted ATI Eyefinity..before selling it in disgust at a hefty loss. Replacement with a triple 5870 worked to salvage the filthy taste of excrement from my palette; improved as it was, micro-stutter, incompatibility, poor scaling, et al. were side-effects with which I was, unfortunately, quite familiar. 1 of every 4 (or 5) titles suffered from some negative factor aforementioned, though time (with AMD's adoption of CAPs, and various optimizations otherwise) saw gradual improvement.

This generation is a new generation. I've encountered micro-stutter twice; both in canned benchmark testing, and both being alleviated within months via CAP & driver updates. I've had game-issues twice, the first of which being Crysis 2. The glitchy behavior was met head-on by the AMD driver department with a flurry of CAPs that, after a few tries, sorted out the flicker & the poor scaling in DX9 - these CAPs were released within days of the release, & fixed in entirety within weeks. Granted, with the 1.9 Crysis 2 "patch", performance has been difficult to sort in such a hasty fashion. I'd put the blame squarely on Crytek, really, considering the bizarre "tessellate the ocean in every frame despite not seeing water" rendering choice of the engine. With the current driver, nevertheless, I can run everything @ Ultra detail in 6.8 megapixels.

The other title, Witcher 2, saw the problem remedied in weeks & was absolutely freaking worth it. It takes some real brass to crank that game up maximally (no single GPU will do, really) & taking a week or two to coordinate the driver is a small sacrifice when taking account of the result.

I play virtually everything with maximum IQ, glitch free, enjoying brilliant scaling @ all resolutions (1, 3x1, & 5x1 alike), with an average of 3 or 4 CAPs released every single month. It's not the same as ye old 4870x2, folks. The scaling, compatibility, & support is freaking unreal..whether with 2 gpus, all the way up to 4. I say the last bit to address the "no upgrade path" notion once more. Of course there is. And unlike previous imperfect iterations, further upgrades are anything but a waste.
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@XXXfire:
Really now? There's an upgrade path with 2x cards in Crossfire, with only 2x PCIe lanes available? Care to explain how? The only POSSIBLE upgrade path is to sell and replace. You can't just simply add another card later.

So yes, going Crossfire or SLI is almost stupid (when on a budget) right out of the box. It's always, ALWAYS better to go with the stronger single GPU solution first, and crossfire / SLI later when prices drop and you need more performance.

And you claiming that you don't have any issues at all is one of two things. It's either obsurd, because you are 1/1,000,000 that actually have good performance with QuadFire, or you are just not seeing the microstutter and bad scaling due to already having the highest of the high end cards. It's been proven time and time again that Quad card setups don't scale all that well, and have bad microstutter issues. So either you are special, or you're not noticing the problems.
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I went with an sli setup right out of the box and couldn't be happier. My upgrade path will be to sell these next year and get a couple of the non-reference GTX 680's whenever they release...
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I went with an sli setup right out of the box and couldn't be happier. My upgrade path will be to sell these next year and get a couple of the non-reference GTX 680's whenever they release...

You also didn't have any other choice (other than the laughable 590). tongue.gif I'm talking about 2 low / mid end cards in SLI / Crossfire, vs. the single high end card.
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Gotcha...
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Well, I'm throwing in my 2cents.gif

It's obvious each has their own preference, reasoning, experiences, to share with the OP.

In all honesty if the OP chose either, he'd have great performance and enjoy the heck out of any gaming he can throw at it either choice.

Now my personal opinion, the GTX 580 single GPU card up front. Handle gaming easily right now.

When the new 20nm fabrication cards come out, expect prices to drop on the current series cards within a few months after and more so by next year this time. When gaming catches up, SLI the 580.

Two GTX 580's SLI will beat the AMD 6950's Crossfire and that's where he's going to end up. First choice.

Go with the AMD 6950's now for more performance up front, keep in mind eventually gaming will catch up and you'll have to switch both out. At the end of the road, the two GTX 580's SLI will have taken him further then the AMD 6950's crossfire.

To each his own, no wrong or right, no bad choice for the OP. It's great he gets to hear both sides of the coin. In the end OP do what's right for you or you 'feel' is right for you.

Good luck, and after you pull the trigger please post back to let us know which way you went. smile.gif

P.S. That ASUS Matrix card is a sliver OC from 1Ghz core. Amazing for a 580 on air btw.
     
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I think the 6950's are a better choice, performance wise, it'll be faster and you can add a 3rd if your mobo allows in the future. Also the 2gb VRAM would be nice and never a factor to worry about in games.

But...... If you want CUDA, physics, ect. The 580 is a great choice also, with SLI in the future. That single by itself would rock the hell out of games. I like the nvidia perks myself.

Also the Gtx570 is a great option with more power than 6959's in most benchmarks, I got both mine close after release for ~300 each. That puts it right in the same price range. Would work great for 3D at 1080p, not sure if it's be as great for surround though. I've heard that you reach the memory ceiling, but I've not seen proof.
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