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Will socket 2011 make 1155 completely redundent? I hope the Ivy is very fast on 1155.
2011 won't necessarily make 1155 redundant, it'll just allow Intel to segment their processors into high and mid-range...just like they did with 1366 and 1156. Both were fast for their generation, however 1366 catered to the extreme user, while 1156 to the mid-range user.

Now, just imagine the possibilities that socket 2011 holds if 1155 beats the socks off 1366.

I think we're in for a real treat, albeit a most expensive one.
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Will socket 2011 make 1155 completely redundent? I hope the Ivy is very fast on 1155.
It won't.

LGA2011 is pretty inaccessible to most with the entry point being uhm...

$750usd to ride? And that's just the processor. D: And seriously. I'm sure there'd be $350-500 chips with disabled cores. But seriously, unless they'd unlock, who'd buy a quad core LGA2011 processor? Even with the extra cache? Now that's redundant.
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Progress is good... but i'm impatient.

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Let's hope it's affordable.
This. Price is my only qualm that I have with Intel.
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Waiting for 300-400 for a decent mobo plus the extra 500+ for a cpu. 800+ as a buy-in. Yep, totally can see that coming here.
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Let's hope it's affordable.
This is Intel. It won't be.

I still believe they are genuinely surprised by SB's current performance.

The intel we know would gladly sell that kind of performance for $1000 anyway... which means SB was probably dirt cheap to make and they didn't half expect it to be this good....
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They're going to do the same thing as Nvidia did with Fermi. They'll release it under one name with part of it disabled, they can claim difficulties in manufacturing. Then 3 months later they can release the fully functional version, and sell a bunch more, including to some of the people who bought the first batch.

Its a great marketing scheme. Why sell a whole chip when 3/4 will do?
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This makes sense as Intel is seeming to follow a pattern (for their desktop CPUs at least).

65nm = max. 2 cores (C2Q was two C2D dies)
45nm = max. 4 cores
32nm = max. 6 cores
22nm = max. 8(?) cores
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If they release a 6 core Ivy Bridge on socket 1155. I will buy it. Socket 2011 be awesome but expensive..
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They're going to do the same thing as Nvidia did with Fermi. They'll release it under one name with part of it disabled, they can claim difficulties in manufacturing. Then 3 months later they can release the fully functional version, and sell a bunch more, including to some of the people who bought the first batch.

Its a great marketing scheme. Why sell a whole chip when 3/4 will do?
That's completely illogical.

The whole chip and 3/4 disabled chip cost the same to produce and sell basically at the same price. The vast majority of buyers won't replace and the negative publicity hurts the company. Besides, the GF110 is a tweaked version of the GF100 with selective transistor replacement based on usage. So you're saying NVIDIA purposely release the GF100 6 months late with much lower than expected performance on purpose? They wanted ATI to take marketshare (which impacts them long term) so they could make a bit more on the possibility of enthusiast upgrades while hurting their vastly more profitable and long-term target GPGPU market?
Edited by DuckieHo - 7/30/11 at 7:12pm
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Companies have been disabling parts of their chips for ages to feed demand. AMD did it recently with their Phenom II chips where you could unlock cores from X3 chips to X4. All the way back to 20 years ago or so, Intel disabled the math co-processor on the 486 DX chips because the 486 SX that was sold without it was more in demand.

You're right, the cost to produce it is the same, but either way its sold at a profit. The Core i7 920, 930, 940, 950, 975 are all the same chip, with different multipliers hard coded. They all cost the same to make, but they certainly didn't sell for the same price. Negative publicity only happens if someone openly admits that that's the plan of the company, but normally everyone is too busy marveling at how wonderful the new chips are.

Yes, the GF110 is a tweaked version of the GF100. Nvidia at time was having problems due to the die shrink and a poorly engineered design, so they tweaked it so it would run reliably with the entire chip enabled, running cooler, and being better to manufacture.
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