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Companies have been disabling parts of their chips for ages to feed demand. AMD did it recently with their Phenom II chips where you could unlock cores from X3 chips to X4. All the way back to 20 years ago or so, Intel disabled the math co-processor on the 486 DX chips because the 486 SX that was sold without it was more in demand.

You're right, the cost to produce it is the same, but either way its sold at a profit. The Core i7 920, 930, 940, 950, 975 are all the same chip, with different multipliers hard coded. They all cost the same to make, but they certainly didn't sell for the same price. Negative publicity only happens if someone openly admits that that's the plan of the company, but normally everyone is too busy marveling at how wonderful the new chips are.

Yes, the GF110 is a tweaked version of the GF100. Nvidia at time was having problems due to the die shrink and a poorly engineered design, so they tweaked it so it would run reliably with the entire chip enabled, running cooler, and being better to manufacture.
Yes, components have been disabled to fill different pricing points. However, you are missing a key point in your arguement.... companies do not disable their flagship parts. They sell their flagship at the highest price point because there is often an extreme market segment that will pay. However, if a company's flagship is already gimped, there probably is something wrong.

SO the GF110 is different from the GF100 enough to warrant a new generation... so it is not simply NVIDIA claiming poor performance just to sell more cards at a later point in time.
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It won't.

LGA2011 is pretty inaccessible to most with the entry point being uhm...

$750usd to ride? And that's just the processor. D: And seriously. I'm sure there'd be $350-500 chips with disabled cores. But seriously, unless they'd unlock, who'd buy a quad core LGA2011 processor? Even with the extra cache? Now that's redundant.
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I never said that Intel wasn't having problems with manufacture, after all LGA2011 has already been delayed a couple times, I just implied that it works out well from a marketing standpoint. 6 core Sandy Bridge, 8 core Ivy Bridge. New generation, better chip.

Regardless, we're arguing over a rumor, so I'll wait and see what Intel releases in the coming months.
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I'm more excited about the fact that EVGA is putting a right angle 24-pin on at least one of their LGA 2011 boards.

In all seriousness I won't be dropping a grand on the top of the line EE chip but I would have little problem dropping 500-600$ on the 3930K which will basically be the same thing sans 3MB cache, and a bit of binning.
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I never said that Intel wasn't having problems with manufacture, after all LGA2011 has already been delayed a couple times, I just implied that it works out well from a marketing standpoint. 6 core Sandy Bridge, 8 core Ivy Bridge. New generation, better chip.

Regardless, we're arguing over a rumor, so I'll wait and see what Intel releases in the coming months.
Not to put your fire out (if you had one, that is), but Intel actually moved up their release for SB-E to October, only to bring it once back to their projected Q1 of 2012. They thought they could pull off the earlier date (probably to combat BD) but didn't want to dck over their consumers with a hampered chip. So, really, they didn't delay it at all.

As per the Fermi debate, Nvidia is a GPU company and Intel's CPU. They're both completely differently run tech manufacturers. End of story lol
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Not to put your fire out (if you had one, that is), but Intel actually moved up their release for SB-E to October, only to bring it once back to their projected Q1 of 2012. They thought they could pull off the earlier date (probably to combat BD) but didn't want to dck over their consumers with a hampered chip. So, really, they didn't delay it at all.

As per the Fermi debate, Nvidia is a GPU company and Intel's CPU. They're both completely differently run tech manufacturers. End of story lol
If we don't see LGA 2011 til Q1 then I'm going Ivy.

They'd lose high end customers to Ivy because they would release around the same time. I'd rather have a 75-90w quad core that can walk all over a 130w hexcore in clock per clock performance.

Who'd buy a SB-E limited unlock quad core if an Ivy quad could walk all over it while being fully unlocked? Doesn't make much sense.
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post #27 of 67
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Ivy Bridge E will bring 8 cores. Does that mean Ivy Bridge will bring 6 cores to 1155?
At this point you cannot make such a claim. Sandy Bridge Enthusiast isn't even out yet and you are stating that Ivy Bridge Enthusiast will bring 8 cores. The current information at hand is that there is only a Dual and Quad Core LGA1155 variant for Ivy Bridge.


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If we don't see LGA 2011 til Q1 then I'm going Ivy.

They'd lose high end customers to Ivy because they would release around the same time. I'd rather have a 75-90w quad core that can walk all over a 130w hexcore in clock per clock performance.

Who'd buy a SB-E limited unlock quad core if an Ivy quad could walk all over it while being fully unlocked? Doesn't make much sense.
The only reason being, perhaps, is that there won't be a high-end Ivy. And I could be completely wrong with that, however in the slides that have been released about Intel's road-map, we don't see any high-end Ivy...
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The only reason being, perhaps, is that there won't be a high-end Ivy. And I could be completely wrong with that, however in the slides that have been released about Intel's road-map, we don't see any high-end Ivy...
No Roadmaps that are that far into the future yet. Ivy Bridge E wouldn't come till atleast Q4 2012 or Q1 2013
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Ivy Bridge E will bring 8 cores. Does that mean Ivy Bridge will bring 6 cores to 1155?
Doubt it. Even if it was technically feasible, it would be better than the more expensive 6 core SNB-E. IB will be 2 and 4 core, and IB-E 6 and 8 core.

The idea of waiting for 8 core IB-E is growing on me more and more, but at that point I might just as well hang on till Haswell.
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