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Originally Posted by Usario View Post
One word: Fusion.

Also, Bobcat destroys Atom in all respects, so I don't know what you're talking about there.
Sir, you are wrong.

The C-30 and C-50 are not faster than the Atom N455 and N550, and the more recent N570 in the CPU department. In some things they tie, others win, and others lose. Where AMD currently wins is in the GPU department with the integrated HD6250.

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Ever heard of Brazos? E-350? It's almost 2x faster than Atom clock per clock under certain workloads.
That is a skewed comparison. The E-350 has a TDP of 18w, whereas the C-30 and C-50 have a TDP of 9w, which compares to the 8.5w TDP of the Dual Core Atom N550 and N570.

Netbooks in the price category of the Atoms are using the C-30 (single-core) and C-50 (dual core), the E-350 is being fitted to bigger netbooks (11.6" screen and 12.1), with 4GB of RAM, 500GB HDD and Windows 7 Home Premium. Not in the price range of the regular netbooks, nor even in the same power envelope.

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...Are you serious? The E-350 destroys the Atom in every way.
True, but wrong comparison. See answer above.



I'm not sure how many of you actually own a current netboook (Dual Core), but a Netbook with an Atom N550 can playback 720p video and also 720p flash video without dropping frames. As for the AMD APU, it can playback video with it's GPU's UVD3 video decoder, which makes the computer run cooler. Plus, you get an HDMI port, which is really useful.

But from the reviews I've read, in the end, both Atom and Bobcat netbooks end up having comparable battery life.

As to gaming, it's interesting, but will only be truly worth it when it gets to 28nm. You can't run any modern games on either Atom or Bobcat. Modern games on a Bobcat Netbook run at 20fps with minimum settings. The CPU needs to be clocked higher and the GPU too.
Edited by tpi2007 - 7/30/11 at 9:04pm
 
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So what? My CPU is faster than a processor that is 5 years old, why do we care?
Can you bring your current computer on a plane right now and use it?
Can you bring it to a local Starbucks and use it?
Can you use it in a car?

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Sir, you are wrong.

The C-30 and C-50 are not faster than the Atom N455 and N550, andthe more recent N570 in the CPU department. In some things they tie, others win, and others lose. Where AMD currently wins is in the GPU department with the integrated HD6250.



That is a skewed comparison. The E-350 has a TDP of 18w, whereas the C-30 and C-50 have a TDP of 9w, which compares to the 8.5w TDP of the Dual Core Atom N550 and N570.

Netbooks in the price category of the Atoms are using the C-30 (single-core) and C-50 (dual core), the E-350 is being fitted to bigger netbooks (11.6" screen and 12.1), with 4GB of RAM, 500GB HDD and Windows 7 Home Premium. Not in the price range of the regular netbooks, nor even in the same power envelope.



True, but wrong comparison. See answer above.



I'm not sure how many of you actually own a current netboook (Dual Core), but a Netbook with an Atom N550 can playback 720p video and also 720p flash video without dropping frames. As for the AMD APU, it can playback video with it's GPU's UDV3 video decoder, which makes the computer run cooler. Plus, you get an HDMI port, which is really useful.

But from the reviews I've read, in the end, both Atom and Bobcat netbooks end up having comparable battery life.

As to gaming, it's interesting, but will only be truly worth it when it gets to 28nm. You can't run any modern games on either Atom or Bobcat. Modern games on a Bobcat Netbook run at 20fps with minimum settings. The CPU needs to be clocked higher and the GPU too.
That was a perfect representation of comparison to the two. Kudos to you.
     
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It'll need a whole new architecture. Current Atoms are a fusion of i486 and Pentium M architectures with some refinements from Core 2 and some power gating. The current design just won't scale that high..
It will, Intel had already stated that a redesign is planned for the 22nm process. So, the new 32nm Atoms coming out in a few months at 32nm still have the same CPU architecture (new GPU though).
 
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Originally Posted by Am* View Post
Yeah but current Phenoms have out of order instructions as well and a lot of other improvements since K8, but yeah you're right for the most part it's an enhanced K8. I still somewhat doubt they will be able to pull this off, unless their Atom architecture becomes based off their desktop siblings in the future.
Why doubt it? Atom already matches Netburst processors from less than ten years ago using just 2.5W... 130w v. 2.5w...

Would you take a 95w 2500k or a 2w 2500k?

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Didn't Intel say about 10 years ago we would have 100 core processors by now?

I will believe it when I see it, granted I would like to see it.
Intel had working-sample 80-core processors four years ago...

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Originally Posted by dklimitless View Post
^This.
Even now, Intel beats the x6 in many applications....

I don't get why they are excited that in the next 4 years, they will beat an old architecture with many cores lol.

EDIT:
Yeah, I realize that this is an Atom, but the point still remains
15w v. 130w with the same performance in only four years.

Core 2 Quad = 130w(2006)
Core i7 950 = 130w(2010)

Core i7 is only 30-40% faster overall. This chip will be as fast as Phenom X6 and consume 8.5x less energy.

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Originally Posted by xd_1771 View Post
The current generation atom provides similar performance to a top end 130nm Northwood Pentium 4 of 6 years ago. SEE LINK
I don't consider the leap to be anything out of the ordinary.
Me either, but still impressive.

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Originally Posted by Fr0sty View Post
14nm isnt even out ... so how can we predict the performance????

speculative trash article is trash

and in 2015 atom will go against some form of amd bulldozer apu ... so again ... why compare it to something we have today even tho intel is talking about something in the future far from today ???


Grammatically incomprehensible trash post is trash.

We're not predicting anything, Intel is... Internally, they are further ahead than what we have in our consumer boxes. What? Do you think they research and then develop all within a year? You are terribly misinformed if you do as Nehalem was in development 4 years or more before it launched.

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Originally Posted by qwertymac93 View Post
So it will only be 1-2 years behind?
Amazing.



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1-2 years behind what? Bobcat(E-350) doesn't come close to the performance of an X6, even if they quadrupled the IPC.

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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post
And by then, AMD will be further ahead with the E-350 style chips...Don't they already come close to Phenom II x4s in IPC?
No. Not even close. AMD will likely use a variant of Bulldozer for this segment next.

Overall though, Bobcat isn't that much faster than Atom is. Only when it comes to graphics does the E-350 really pull a head of which Intel is working on. They already managed to increase their igp 200% in just one generation



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Pretty much the same for bulldozer articles, only the opposite. Your point?
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Llano's platform already matches (trades blows) SB platform (considering no graphics alternatives).
Llano doesn't compete with Atom so I'm not sure why you mentioned it...

...but there are graphics alternatives and we're talking about CPUs here, not graphics. When you pair a SB with an ATI or Nvidia GPU, it's a much higher performing package. Besides, I've only seen Llano and Bobcat APUs beat SB in pre-selected benchmarks that didn't use the AVX extension.

At this point and time, CPUs are still more relevant than GPUs are and will likely always will be more relevant. The typical mantra is that GPUs are becoming more relevant and versatile, not that they would replace CPUs - they would have to become CPUs themselves.
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Yeah right.

Current dual core Atoms can barely stand up to a 3.2GHz P4 or Athlon 3200+, and they've been out for what, about 7 years? Judging by their current line up, I'm a hard time believing they will accomplish this.
CPUs roughly double in power ever 18-24 months, this means they'd be 6x-10x faster, and the switch to out-of-order processing might increase that as well. I would say it's entirely plausible.
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So in 2015, Intel will release a netbook processor that meets the capabilities of an AMD desktop processor from early 2010. I don't find that overly impressive at all.
IT is impressive sorry It's all about performance per watt.


example it's like getting 500 horse power with 50 mpg
    
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That was a perfect representation of comparison to the two. Kudos to you.

Thanks

I felt the need to write that post as it's evident many people here don't really know what they are talking about.
 
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That is a skewed comparison. The E-350 has a TDP of 18w, whereas the C-30 and C-50 have a TDP of 9w, which compares to the 8.5w TDP of the Dual Core Atom N550 and N570.
TDP has little to do with actual power consumption. It is a measurement of heat output.
Real life tests showed the actual power consumption of the E-350 to be still LESS than the Intel Atom desktop processors rated 13W. SEE LINK.
And here is a comparison between the C-50 and the N-550. Equal battery life/power consumption in most tests (actually the C-50 nominally had a slight edge).
Edited by xd_1771 - 7/30/11 at 9:22pm
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TDP has nothing to do with actual power consumption. It is a measurement of heat output.
Real life tests showed the actual power consumption of the E-350 to be still LESS than the Intel Atom desktop processors rated 13W. SEE LINK.
And here is a comparison between the C-50 and the N-550. Equal battery life/power consumption in most tests (actually the C-50 nominally had a slight edge).
You are also making a skewed comparison. Atom CPU's with a 13w TDP are not meant to go into Netbooks, but rather cheap desktop replacements / Nettops.

You are talking about the Atom D5xx series, which does NOT have Speedstep. That in no way compares with the E-350 which does have power saving techniques enabled. Some Netbook makers are using the 13w Atom D525 1.8 Ghz Atom with the ION chipset, but it's a bit pathethic, and not really a good example of what a netbook should be.

As to the C-50 vs. Atom N550, that is exactly what I said.
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