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Originally Posted by Arizonian;14412074 
MSI 560TI Hawk = $264.99 x2 = $529.98 with $20 rebate per card = $489.98

Here is your SLI 560 it's does 60.6 FPS more than the 580.

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Ordered (2) MSI 560TI hawks last week. Keep in mind.... ONLY 1 REBATE per household, and invoice is cross-referenced with shipping address. So, I should have had a friend order it for me, pay him, and save another $20!!!

But I'm sure I won't regret the 560Ti's.... MSI builds a quality product... almost = to 480/570 performance....
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Ordered (2) MSI 560TI hawks last week. Keep in mind.... ONLY 1 REBATE per household, and invoice is cross-referenced with shipping address. So, I should have had a friend order it for me, pay him, and save another $20!!!

But I'm sure I won't regret the 560Ti's.... MSI builds a quality product... almost = to 480/570 performance....

Your going to be happy, and have no regrets. Don't look back. The MSI Hawks are strong 560Ti's. Congrats. smile.gif
     
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Arizonian

What do you mean by Reference and Non Reference cards?

Also a couple of people have suggested I steer clear of Gigabyte cards do they have a bad reputation? (I picked Gigabyte because that's the brand of my motherboard and I have had any issues with it)
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My 560Ti's in SLI run amazing. There's not really any games you can't max out with them at 1080p. That said, I wanted more so I got the 580's mostly for benching....
post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by Dargoth;14417976 
Arizonian

What do you mean by Reference and Non Reference cards?

Also a couple of people have suggested I steer clear of Gigabyte cards do they have a bad reputation? (I picked Gigabyte because that's the brand of my motherboard and I have had any issues with it)

Reference cards are the first cards/design Nvidia puts out when their new series are released. They give the design over to vendors who build them for sale. Example EVGA, MSI or ASUS.

Then shortly after the same vendors take that design and tweak it a bit in their own ways by adding different VRM, more power phases, different cooling solutions so it's not the reference design Nvidia put out when the series was released.

One way to tell if it's reference or non-reference is to look at the PCIe slot connection and on the board you will see either Nvidia or the vendors name. If you see Nvidia it means it's the reference design pcb. If you see the vendors name on it like MSI then it's a non-reference design.

An example is the GTX 570 released by Nvidia with four power phases. Turns out when owners started to add voltage to it to achieve higher over clocks they ended up burning up the VRM and frying their cards. You can do this with any cards really but for the most part it wasn't that high of an over voltage.

Shortly after vendors started putting out their non-reference cards and they added to it by using two fans for cooling and put six power phases as opposed to the four Nvidia put out originally. This allowed owners to add the additional voltage to get their higher over clocks without burning up the VRM as it was better built.

Now it dosen't mean that all non-reference cards are better than reference cards. In fact some series the difference is very marginal. My reference card get within 27-50Mhz to most non-reference cards in over clocks with a bit higher GPU temps. I prefer the hot air exhaust going out the rear air flow out of my rig instead of being dumped inside the case. Therefore I went with a reference design. The reference GTX 580 came with six power phases and it's highly over clockable.

Does that explain what the difference is between them?
     
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Originally Posted by Arizonian;14418051 
Reference cards are the first cards/design Nvidia puts out when their new series are released. They give the design over to vendors who build them for sale. Example EVGA, MSI or ASUS.

Then shortly after the same vendors take that design and tweak it a bit in their own ways by adding different VRM, more power phases, different cooling solutions so it's not the reference design Nvidia put out when the series was released.

One way to tell if it's reference or non-reference is to look at the PCIe slot connection and on the board you will see either Nvidia or the vendors name. If you see Nvidia it means it's the reference design pcb. If you see the vendors name on it like MSI then it's a non-reference design.

An example is the GTX 570 released by Nvidia with four power phases. Turns out when owners started to add voltage to it to achieve higher over clocks they ended up burning up the VRM and frying their cards. You can do this with any cards really but for the most part it wasn't that high of an over voltage.

Shortly after vendors started putting out their non-reference cards and they added to it by using two fans for cooling and put six power phases as opposed to the four Nvidia put out originally. This allowed owners to add the additional voltage to get their higher over clocks without burning up the VRM as it was better built.

Now it dosen't mean that all non-reference cards are better than reference cards. In fact some series the difference is very marginal. My reference card get within 27-50Mhz to most non-reference cards in over clocks with a bit higher GPU temps. I prefer the hot air exhaust going out the rear air flow out of my rig instead of being dumped inside the case. Therefore I went with a reference design. The reference GTX 580 came with six power phases and it's highly over clockable.

Does that explain what the difference is between them?

Yeah I think so

I dont think Ive ever seen a Nvidia brand card, they've always been produced by third party's ie ASUS, Gigabyte EVGA


Any thoughts on whether Gigabyte are ok? The other option was a EVGA card
post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by Dargoth;14418403 
Yeah I think so

I dont think Ive ever seen a Nvidia brand card, they've always been produced by third party's ie ASUS, Gigabyte EVGA


Any thoughts on whether Gigabyte are ok? The other option was a EVGA card

Nvidia hands over the design to those vendors. They make both reference and non-reference cards.

An example of a reference card with Nvidia logo on the PCIe connection.

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Now another MSI card with an MSI logo on the pcb PCIe connection which means it's not the original design by Nvidia and MSI took that design and tweaked it to thier liking.

msi_gtx580l_5.jpg

That's how you can tell the difference. Vendors make both reference and non-reference cards by Nvidia or AMD. The reference is the design Nvidia first puts out for vendors to make as Nvidia dosen't make their own cards. Then the vendor takes that design and tweaks it and puts their brand name on it as an Nvidia non-reference product.

Hope the visuals help.
     
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post #29 of 29
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Ok I see it now

I think Ill go with a 570

Im tossing up between these 3

EVGA 570 HD Superclocked

and

Gigabyte 570 Super over clocked


Looking at the stats

Gigabyte has a better Core Clock and Shader clock

EVGA has a better Memory clock

Update Im going to throw in 560ti

EVGA 560 ti

Which for some bizarre reason beat both 570 cards in Core, Memory and shader in clock speed.... ***?

Which I can get for $273

I can get the EVGA for $363 and the Gigabyte card for$383 so there's not a lot in price between them.

Anyone had any experience with either of these 2 cards?
Edited by Dargoth - 7/31/11 at 7:37pm
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