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FRAPS is all sequential writes, compressed, but not to a great extent. Using an SSD for recordings is the very definition of waste, since sequential writes and drive capacity are what you need most and where SSDs are weakest.

FRAPS is probably one of the quickest ways to wear out an SSD. A 120GB SSD will hold 20-60 minutes of recordings, meaning you could potentially fill the entire thing several times a day. That's very heavy usage for an MLC drive.

A pair of 50 dollar HDDs in RAID 0 is fast enough to record FRAPS at almost any resolution. Even a single modern (Samsung F3, Hitachi 7K1000.C or 7K3000, etc) 7200 rpm drive should be sufficient for most uses.

You pretty much need to record to a drive that is not being used by anything else at the same time.

Also, a quad core CPU is a must, and a fast GPU with a quick connection from the PCI-E controller to the CPU are quite useful. Intel platforms have the edge, but this is a very minor one relative to hard drive setup.
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Is there any charts out there that support the HDD claim? Not calling you liars or anything, I just want to know for a FACT before I spend money and have it not help, especially if I spend $500 on a platform change.
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Also, try using Playclaw. I've bought it, and it's superior to FRAPS in every way. My YT channel can show you quality.

I record at half size and high compression though. My files are usually around 1GB. Less if the game is shorter.

I would recommend recording to a second HDD if you are not already. Beyond that, I would recommend a CPU upgrade.
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What claim, specifically?

That recording to a dedicated drive helps? That faster sequential write speeds help?

Take a look at some of your videos, and see the bit rates. Recording 1920x1200 at 30 fps, lossless RGB, in a game with detailed textures that can't be compressed much on the fly, results in ~8GB of video per minute of recording. That's more than 130MB/s which is beyond the capabilities of cheap SSDs, and all SATA hard drives, except at the very beginning of the drive. Even at lower bit rate you still need some slack so a momentary disc access from something else doesn't result in a string of skipped frames and stuttering.

What exactly are your goals? You will see a frame rate drop while recording with FRAPS, virtually no matter what kind of system you have. It's a demanding tasking recording and encoding video on the fly at upwards of a gigabit per second. However, it should not be difficult to get smooth gameplay, with only minor adjustments to your hardware.

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Also, try using Playclaw. I've bought it, and it's superior to FRAPS in every way. My YT channel can show you quality.
I own PlayClaw as well, and while it does have some nice features and advantages that FRAPS does not, it's most certainly not superior in every way.

FRAPS is very well tuned for the single type of compression it supports and it's lossless RGB recording is visually identical to no compression on PlayClaw while only being about 1/3rd of the size.

PlayClaw is better if you are willing to sacrifice some quality for speed, but FRAPS cannot really be beat at higher quality.
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What claim, specifically?

That recording to a dedicated drive helps? That faster sequential write speeds help?

Take a look at some of your videos, and see the bit rates. Recording 1920x1200 at 30 fps, lossless RGB, in a game with detailed textures that can't be compressed much on the fly, results in ~8GB of video per minute of recording. That's more than 130MB/s which is beyond the capabilities of cheap SSDs, and all SATA hard drives, except at the very beginning of the drive. Even at lower bit rate you still need some slack so a momentary disc access from something else doesn't result in a string of skipped frames and stuttering.

What exactly are your goals? You will see a frame rate drop while recording with FRAPS, virtually no matter what kind of system you have. It's a demanding tasking recording and encoding video on the fly at upwards of a gigabit per second. However, it should not be difficult to get smooth gameplay, with only minor adjustments to your hardware.



I own PlayClaw as well, and while it does have some nice features and advantages that FRAPS does not, it's most certainly not superior in every way.

FRAPS is very well tuned for the single type of compression it supports and it's lossless RGB recording is visually identical to no compression on PlayClaw while only being about 1/3rd of the size.

PlayClaw is better if you are willing to sacrifice some quality for speed, but FRAPS cannot really be beat at higher quality.
I wanna keep my quality high.

Most of the time in games I can get an easy steady 50fps and what not, sometimes even more, but the drop becomes unplayable in most cases. I have been monitoring my CPU usage and GPU usage and while the CPU usage does go up, it doesn't hit over 80%. The HDD claim does seem to make sense considering if I'm transferring a TON of files my PC slows down in every application.

I'll look more into the RAID configurations.
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