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I want to scrap together a low end video editing system using stuff I have:
Sony Vegas Pro9
4x 2GB DDR2 sticks
Antec 80plus EA380 watt PSU even OC'd seems safe for 125 cpus
EVGA 256-P2-N445-LX GeForce 7300GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 SLI (has 3 cable component out for my old HDTV)
Windows 7 64bit
Old 40GB 7200rpm Seagate ST340016A ATA-SATA adapter (stores programs, OS & virtual memory)
500 GB 7200rpm Deskstar HDP725050GLA360 direct SATA connection (stores user profiles and all documents, files, temp folders)
various LCDs to test which native resolutions will preview video fastest.
Old tall copper AM2 heatsink+fan and lots of other fans to use throughout an old tall tower.

And the few things I assume I need to buy:
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black (cheapest multi core that works with my ddr2 memory?)
MSI 785GT-E63 AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard (will onboard ATI Radeon HD 4200 be enough for editing?)

Intels will probably be faster, but I don’t want to buy DDR3 memory & mobos right now
I’m not sure my Antec PSU will support AMDx6 & 2 old HDs and 8GBs DDR2.
It seems like DDR2 over DDR3 might be helpful in keeping things at cooler temperatures without
sacrificing too much performance. Sony seems to be less of a memory hog than Adobe so I
feel I can get away with this low end system. I looked into older 6+ memory slot workstation
and dual processor mainboards but they all seemed too expensive. I don’t think I’ll be editing
anything longer than 20 minutes @ 1080 resolution so this low-end system seems to be enough.
I don’t mind watching video previews at lower draft resolutions I just need the cuts with effects
to run at normal speed; not slow and choppy. I’m hoping in the future I can still use the Phenom x6
overclocked with cheaper DDR3 motherboards & memory and better drives. I like the step system
that you get with AMD. You can always keep one or two of the three main elements motherboard
memory or cpu and still upgrade to a better system each time.

?s
1. Is there a better, lower power, affordable DDR2 mobo/cpu combo for video editing?
2. Will my old HDs reduce video rendering performance?
3. Is this low end system really enough, or will video rendering and previews lag too much?
4. Should I wait a few weeks to see if AM3 Phenom II x6 prices come down or is today's $179.99 good enough?
Edited by fe2cruz - 7/31/11 at 1:25pm
    
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6 cores and 8GB of RAM.... good idea. Separate HDD also great for video editing (I'm a video editor myself, hence the hexacore in sig rig and 8GB of RAM for working with HD files - and with Sony Vegas too, it works fine).

Powering all that with an MSI 785G board.... bad idea.
You should understand that by video editing & rendering you are very often placing 100% load on the CPU. So you definitely want to subject yourself to the most reliable and trustworthy parts possible. By placing 100% load on the CPU, you are placing load on the VRMs. The MSI 785GT-E63 uses a 3+1 phase that is not in any way whatsoever suitable for running a 125W 6 core processor, even if the board does claim 140W support. This is due to low quality design and reputation for VRM failures. There have been no documented failures on this board yet, but there have been many on its variants (See link). Earlier observations on this board do seem good, it does seem to have less of an issue running higher TDP processors (at least x4s with moderate OC). However the situation can easily change with a Thuban, like it did on the DrMOS 790FX and 890FX boards. Because the mobo will be performing a task that often requires 100% CPU and VRM load, I have little doubt to the idea that the stress will in the future will build up, cause VRM degradation, and eventually failure.

TL;DR, IF you have a choice, don't get that board!

Everything else seems totally fine. The system isn't really low end, what you really need when working in Vegas are RAM & CPU and both are very good in your case. PSU is totally fine as you use no video card or low end video card. The HD 4200/785G would be better than the 7300 due to better HD playback technology.
Other nitpicks including better RAM with higher speed and/or lower timings and a CPU-NB overclock (RAM bandwidth and low latency can be very important in the editing process when you may have tons of files stored in memory) will also provide a decent benefit.

Many people will tell you to go i5 2500K/LGA1155 platform (best available option if you actually have hundreds of dollars to spend), however it seems in your option you have existing DDR2 RAM to use (and would be somewhat expensive to replace) and would just like a cheap mobo/CPU combo option to push you along for the next few before any major upgrade. The 1090T (even the cheaper 1055T is just as effective actually, it can overclock to similar levels for lower cost) with a DECENT and capable AM2+ motherboard should be fine. Plus in the future you can step up either quickly or slowly; you can pair the processor with AM3+ mainboard and DDR3 RAM, then grab an AMD FX series octo-core processor. The octo-core should have much increased multithreading power and be more suitable for video editing setups than the current generation LGA1155 platform.

Unfortunately I don't think there is a fix to the fact that Sony vegas's video preview is laggy (it's due to poor optimization and lack of GPU acceleration.... even on my setup it is laggy playing back 720p).
Edited by xd_1771 - 7/31/11 at 3:08pm
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Have you used Sony Vegas's dynamic ram preview feature before? It will render a small, selected part of the timeline so you can preview it (any quality setting) without lag no matter how slow your PC is (it does take time to render though and the length of the preview is limited by the amount of ram you have).
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Shift + B activates that feature. It can be slower to render the preview though. You can allocate how much RAM to use for the preview. I allocate 4GB; only a couple of really long previews I have requested, have been cut off before finish due to lack of RAM.
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Mod, will this mobo work better for OP?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157226

I was thinking of buying it myself.
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Looks to be in the least bit more reliable, not too much though as it appears to also use a lower end VRM design, but definitely not as risky.

I myself was thinking of recommending the

. For a cost little more than the 785GT-E63, you have quality components including a reliable 4+1 phase setup with protection against overloading. You also get 3 year warranty vs 1 year on the MSI. Better for longetivity in case you may not be upgrading for awhile.

You also get the onboard 785G chipset which will have better video playback capability than the 7300GT due to newer technology. As GPU acceleration is becoming more popular though, I also recommend looking into switching to an nVidia card with CUDA or ATI 6xxx series card, so if/when Sony Vegas is updated to include improved GPU acceleration, you can be ready.
Edited by xd_1771 - 7/31/11 at 3:17pm
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Wow this is extremely helpful everyone! Thank you so much.
Are the latest offerings from Adobe just as slow on cutup layered edited previews too?
I hate how bloated the installs are. And I've never seen an Adobe app,even reader
not be a memory hog. I love the lay out of vegas. I make cuts and organize
tracks faster in Sony, but its that damn preview always slows you down. I
hope buffering with shift+B will work on the new system I build. I had the
Asrock on my wishlist too, but I thought onboard video would save me power.
The idea of 3+1 phase killing my new thuban nicks the MSI now too. The
ASUS was also on my wishlist. After newegg CA sales tax its about the
same price. Since the 1055 to 1100 difference is only $30 it seems like the
small advantage in MHz would be fun to play with too.
    
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I haven't tried the Adobe video editing programs but I don't think the previews are as stuttery, for the Adobe programs usually have full GPU acceleration.
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Originally Posted by xd_1771 View Post
Adobe programs usually have full GPU acceleration.
I really want jitter free editing. I don't mind watching in lower
resolutions. Do you still get jitter previewing 720/1080 cuts in the
smaller draft option on your Vegas?

Vegas HD 11 looks like its only 32bit. Will the ATI Radeon HD 4200
integrated GPU be enough for smaller draft size previews for Corel
with gpu acceleration and preview architecture?
http://www.trustedreviews.com/Corel-...ormance_Page-2

It seems Premier9 preview setup isn't as good as Corel's.
I can't justify installing that behemoth Creative Suite again,
especially since I won't be using a real GPU anyway.
VegasPro, Elements9 or Corel seem to be the best options to try on this rig.
Edited by fe2cruz - 7/31/11 at 6:55pm
    
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Draft halves the resolution, so I get no jittering unless I have tons of layers going at once.
The HD 4200 is a low end integrated setup but it's great for decoding video streams.... not sure about encoding or video preview.
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