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That one is easy. WD Black 2TB is the fastest.
That depends what the user considers as fast. I look at fast as whichever HDD has the highest read & write speeds. Atm that's Hitachi, then Samsung (4TB).

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I got a 7K3000 a few days back. I've been benchmarking it. It's not that much faster than my 640GB Black, despite having awesome sequential speeds...

It was cheap, though - I can't argue with the price. It was actually cheaper than my WD Green 2TB. But it's performance is definitely somewhere inbetween the 2TB Green and 2TB Black.
Unless you got it on sale with coupons, it's not possible that a 2TB Hitachi 7K3000 is cheaper than a $75 2TB WD Green. The 2TB 7K3000 Hitachi is always around the $120 mark, even with discounts and promos the most it'll knock off is $20.

Where did you purchase a 2TB 7K3000 for under $75?
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Where did you purchase a 2TB 7K3000 for under $75?
NCIX. (Canada) They have super awesome sale prices during their store opening sales.

It cost about $60 + Tax, which is totally awesome. I got my WD Green 2TB for $62.99 + Tax.

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That depends what the user considers as fast. I look at fast as whichever HDD has the highest read & write speeds. Atm that's Hitachi, then Samsung (4TB).
I'm looking at it from the point of an OS drive. Most reads/writes are pretty small for an OS drive. Lots of seeking involved.

Hitachi 7K3000



WD 640GB Black



Looks like my WD Black is getting stomped into the dust, right?

That's what I thought too. But I didn't weight seek/access times properly. Turns out they're pretty important.

Hitachi 7K3000



WD 640GB Black



I didn't see that one coming. My WD Black has 116MB/sec max speeds, but it beats a drive with 156MB/sec max speeds in whole-drive tests.

A WD Black 2TB actually has matching sequential speeds to the Hitachi (according to HDTune benches I've seen on overclock.net) and better access times than my WD Black... (11.7-12.4ms on avg)

I would expect it to score way higher than mine did. Probably around 5MB/sec 64k across the whole 2TB, and well over 50MB/sec in the 1MB test.

If I owned one I'd run the benches to be sure, but the 2TB Black is out of my price range...


One thing to note - this Hitachi drive does make a great storage drive. I can't actually saturate its sequential speeds with any of my other drives... And I think I can probably trust it more than Greens, since it's Hitachi's more expensive model.
     
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NCIX. (Canada) They have super awesome sale prices during their store opening sales.

It cost about $60 + Tax, which is totally awesome. I got my WD Green 2TB for $62.99 + Tax.
Wow, that is a great deal, to get a 7200rpm drive at a lower price than a 5400rpm drive is
Considering the fact that CAD is now worth more than USD makes the deal even more sweet.


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I'm looking at it from the point of an OS drive. Most reads/writes are pretty small for an OS drive. Lots of seeking involved.

I didn't see that one coming. My WD Black has 116MB/sec max speeds, but it beats a drive with 156MB/sec max speeds in whole-drive tests.

A WD Black 2TB actually has matching sequential speeds to the Hitachi (according to HDTune benches I've seen on overclock.net) and better access times than my WD Black... (11.7-12.4ms on avg)

I would expect it to score way higher than mine did. Probably around 5MB/sec 64k across the whole 2TB, and well over 50MB/sec in the 1MB test.

If I owned one I'd run the benches to be sure, but the 2TB Black is out of my price range...


One thing to note - this Hitachi drive does make a great storage drive. I can't actually saturate its sequential speeds with any of my other drives... And I think I can probably trust it more than Greens, since it's Hitachi's more expensive model.
Yes, it makes perfect sense from a OS drive standpoint.

I guess it's just me, I'm used to using anything over 500GB as storage drives for the past 10 years. My OS drive has never exceeded 300GB during that time and has actually shrunk in size with SSDs.
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Since this thread is still going, I'd like to ask, if two drives are 7200RPM, what makes one faster than the other?

I've already read Kramy's statement about dense platters. What else?
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Dense platters boost sequential speed - great for FRAPS recording, video work, etc.


Better actuator tech makes drives seek faster. That drops access times a bit. RPM isn't the biggest factor in access times - if you actually calculate out how often a platter goes around...

10000 RPM = 166.67/sec = 6ms per spin.
7200 RPM = 120/sec = 8.33ms per spin.
5400 RPM = 90/sec = 11.11ms per spin.

But if you check benchmarks, Raptors are about 7-8ms access times, 7200RPM drives are about 11.6-13.6ms access times (or 16.2ms in the case of this Hitachi), and 5400RPM drives have 16-20ms access times.

The electromagnets/actuators must have different capabilities. Or in the case of this Hitachi, it takes longer to settle on the right track on a denser platter.


So you answer your question - the difference between a 7200RPM 2TB Black and 7200RPM 2TB Hitachi is mostly the actuator tech and seek speeds.

Further Reading -> http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...-review-3.html
     
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Yes, it makes perfect sense from a OS drive standpoint.

I guess it's just me, I'm used to using anything over 500GB as storage drives for the past 10 years. My OS drive has never exceeded 300GB during that time and has actually shrunk in size with SSDs.
Some of us (perhaps foolishly) still use a single drive for OS/Games/storage/etc., and then have a Backup drive to guard against failure.

With SSDs becoming popular, the multitasking demands placed on HDDs are dropping slightly. They can do a lot more sequential work without an OS running off them. But the catch is, this only applies to people upgrading to SSDs or with separate OS drives - there's no one-size-fits-all with HDD setups and advice.
     
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Some of us (perhaps foolishly) still use a single drive for OS/Games/storage/etc., and then have a Backup drive to guard against failure.

With SSDs becoming popular, the multitasking demands placed on HDDs are dropping slightly. They can do a lot more sequential work without an OS running off them. But the catch is, this only applies to people upgrading to SSDs or with separate OS drives - there's no one-size-fits-all with HDD setups and advice.
What's wrong with doing that?
I have one for the OS and programs (Winamp, Fraps etc) only and another bigger drive for mainly games, music, videos, clips, pictures, Word files etc etc

Is anything wrong with that?
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Ah, I see why WD bought Hitachi over Samsung. Seagate really needs Samsung though. They've lost most of their reputation because of the barracudas.
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Ah, I see why WD bought Hitachi over Samsung. Seagate really needs Samsung though. They've lost most of their reputation because of the barracudas.
No, it's not about reputation. It's about growth and market position.

WD's enterprise sector is non-existent. Hitachi has a strong enterprise line because they took over IBM's HDD division years ago.

Samsung is useless to WD, they're just a consumer level brand, but a very good consumer brand, which WD also is, but something Seagate lacks. Seagate doesn't give a rats ass about their consumer line anymore, they're gonna let Samsung take care of that, they're focused on their enterprise line which Hitachi is slowly chewing up.
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