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How long before the robots BSOD themselves.
    
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As if this doesnt exist in the U.S.

This last February I left a major japanese manufacturer of OEM brake parts. Much like Foxconn, the work was grueling, mind-numbing, repetetive. Some machines required over 900 pieces per hour, all fed by hand. 12 1/2 hour shifts, 10 minute breaks, 20 minute lunch. No A/C or Heat. Horrible in the summer, not so bad in the winter. Brake pad ovens run 400F and Scorchers run 1200F. Absolutely NO TALKING. This was enforced heavily. You, yourself, are the robot. We were told right from the get go, "You may participate in a work efficiency study that eliminates your own job, be prepared for that."

However, the hourly pay was the best within a 100 mile radius, for factory work that is. And the medical coverage was probably the best in the country.

I quit after 11 months.

The factory I'm at now is pretty decent, still 12 hour shifts but it is air conditioned and the production rates are much lower, only because it takes much longer to make these parts. But the atmosphere is better for it. Unfortunately, we are going to 16 hour shifts this winter. Yes, thats legal. The labor board already looked into it. Sadly, I will be looking for work again. Sadder still, most all factories here have already gone to 12 hour shifts, and if 16's prove profitable, word will spread.

I do see a future where the majority of manufacturing is done by robots, I can only wonder who will buy the products when so few are gainfully employed. Sure, there will be the companies who build and maintain the robots, but we will still have a workpool dominated by Diploma and GED holders.

I'm starting to think the Amish had it right all along. I cant speak for the entire country, but here in central KY, I think its safe to say that ~70% of household income is derived from factory jobs.
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Wow this is bad for the workers.
They'll probably turn to crime and prostitution...and be much better off.

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I do see a future where the majority of manufacturing is done by robots, I can only wonder who will buy the products when so few are gainfully employed. Sure, there will be the companies who build and maintain the robots, but we will still have a workpool dominated by Diploma and GED holders.

I'm starting to think the Amish had it right all along. I cant speak for the entire country, but here in central KY, I think its safe to say that ~70% of household income is derived from factory jobs.
People will adapt; they've done it plenty of times before.
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I have hungry mouths to feed and a mortgage to pay too, but if me and my co-workers are being abused at my workplace, to the point that some are committing suicide, you're damn right I'll leave!
...

There's a little something called "self responsibility" that seems to be lost among today's young people. It isn't the government's responsibility to provide for you. It isn't Foxconn's responsibility to provide for you. It is YOUR responsibility to provide for you and your family. If you can't do that, then you have no one to blame but yourself.
Check out Seth Godin on you tube. According to him, The modern education system is training for a life long robot system, tailored around Ford's factories that have need for people to come in and do a repetitive task for a certain shift of time. It is totally opposite of Human nature and the work conditions deteriorate quickly when the person in charge hates their job. I am not sure what the answer to this situation is, but it is a shame to see a ton of jobs be tossed out the window in the name of efficiency/greed. In America, if you went to college for 8 years to become a IT professional and scored an amazing job with Microsoft and then they shipped your job plus 20,000 other Jobs over to India, you go get a job or start your own small business with your severance package and try to make 50-80% of what you where, until something better opens up. And if you go bankrupt during the process... Oh well. Tis life.

In other countries, you loose your job and go bankrupt, they come after your family - kids, parent, brothers and sisters until the debt is paid.


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Spreading the wealth will never work. People are and always will be greedy. As much as it SOUNDS good, it just won't happen. If you tried it, people would become complacent with laziness and non-productivity, until the whole system collapsed. The next best thing is capitalism, because it captures people's selfishness to increase productivity, innovation, and efficiency.
Their are 2 groups of people supporting the "spread the wealth doctrine".
1. The ones who have nothing, getting something for free seems like a great deal
2. Those who are in political power and know that they will rise to a higher position where they will rule over people and live wealthy lives on the other side of the institutional railroad tracks never having to deal with the lowlife leaches again, which is the opposite of what they preach.
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A million Robots? How in the world will they afford all of the alcohol?

    
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@SgtSpike
respect for self awareness. a quality that many people lack nowadays.

I hope you realize that not all people are as lucky as you are.
Looks like you got good educations and good moral values by parents.
I sure hope so. I just try to look at things logically, and I like for people to be responsible for themselves.

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Check out Seth Godin on you tube. According to him, The modern education system is training for a life long robot system, tailored around Ford's factories that have need for people to come in and do a repetitive task for a certain shift of time. It is totally opposite of Human nature and the work conditions deteriorate quickly when the person in charge hates their job. I am not sure what the answer to this situation is, but it is a shame to see a ton of jobs be tossed out the window in the name of efficiency/greed. In America, if you went to college for 8 years to become a IT professional and scored an amazing job with Microsoft and then they shipped your job plus 20,000 other Jobs over to India, you go get a job or start your own small business with your severance package and try to make 50-80% of what you where, until something better opens up. And if you go bankrupt during the process... Oh well. Tis life.

In other countries, you loose your job and go bankrupt, they come after your family - kids, parent, brothers and sisters until the debt is paid.




Their are 2 groups of people supporting the "spread the wealth doctrine".
1. The ones who have nothing, getting something for free seems like a great deal
2. Those who are in political power and know that they will rise to a higher position where they will rule over people and live wealthy lives on the other side of the institutional railroad tracks never having to deal with the lowlife leaches again, which is the opposite of what they preach.
Actually, my friend did just that. Only he just had a 4 year degree, not an 8 year. But he scored a job with Microsoft, and it paid very nicely.

But here's where I have an unending respect for the guy. He was making $28/hr, with a promise of getting a raise to just over $50/hr after a year of working there. He wanted to buy a WRX (had been dreaming about it for years), maybe a house, etc. Heck, he could easily make the monthly payments on just about anything. But instead, he saved. He saved those ginormous monthly paychecks, while still driving around his early 90's Civic. He didn't live anyplace fancy, he didn't go blow his money on alcohol or anything like that. His biggest purchase during that time amounted to a nice computer rig that cost him around $3000.

So when the time came that everyone at that facility was laid off, and suddenly didn't have that monthly $5k paycheck, he was prepared. He didn't get another job for 2 years, but he was able to provide for himself ok (albeit with some very stringent cost-saving measures) because of the savings he had accumulated.

The issues that people have with money all stem from one thing: spending close to, or more than, the amount that they bring home every month. Heck, I have the same problem, and it's gotten me into some financial difficulty as well. It's not easy to resist spending that "extra" money. And then when your income drops, and you've overextended yourself into too much debt, you have to find a way to dig yourself back out again.

Anyway, I feel like I'm getting way off topic here, but I had to share that story after you mentioned Microsoft.
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In other news, 100,000 workers have committed mass suicide due to lack of employment.
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The system is not sustainable and all the work towards the attitude is not in human nature nor a part of evolution.
It has to end sooner or later.

I think Kissinger said, that perfect global population should count from 1-1,5 billion. As overpopulation is not berable, the system enforces that only fittest survive.
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The issues that people have with money all stem from one thing: spending close to, or more than, the amount that they bring home every month. Heck, I have the same problem, and it's gotten me into some financial difficulty as well. It's not easy to resist spending that "extra" money. And then when your income drops, and you've overextended yourself into too much debt, you have to find a way to dig yourself back out again.
Yes, that is a huge issue. Many, many people spend a lot more than they make per month thanks to credit. Its a double edged sword. Credit and lending allow 10X as much money to flow through the economy than is actually physical. But too much spending on credit and lending can be bad, as we have all seen. People spend more than they actually make and then when things take a turn for the worse they are SOL, their lenders are in turn SOL and if that happens enough the lenders fold under and all hell breaks loose.

The thing that really ticks me off is the sense that people have that they are somehow entitled to their job and their monthly pay. They are comfortable spending every last penny they have and more (and for things they do not need), like they are 100% assured that they will have a check next month. I saw my parents go through this. They are in a very bad financial situation now, and it was COMPLETELY avoidable.
    
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So if one million underpaid sweatshop factory workers are replaced by robots, what incentive is there to outsourcing US jobs to China?

I mean half the reason all computers are built in China is because of super loose environmental laws, awful work standards and underpaid employees. So it seems that if robots become the norm, you might as well build that stuff here in the US.
 
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