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$400 for a IPS monitor? A Dell one to boot, are you joking?

As long as hes not going to be doing graphics design/art and have OCD for different shades of colour theres no point in an IPS panel. A TN standard is fine, if he really needs it for graphics work id suggest picking up a CRT for $20/ the dump. If hes a gamer/bencher (which most OCN members are) then theres no need to waste $400 on a monitor, hell get 3 and do surround

EDIT: i do apologise if graphics people are a majority, I just see no point wasting that money on not much improvement. 3D right now is not worth it though so can that and get 3 monitors for surround.
Clearly you don't like Dell. Even though they are probably the best monitors for their price range (espeically their IPS monitors).

IPS is not a waste for gamers. Why settle for worse colour reproduction, smaller viewing angle and an all round inferior product?

Since he was already looking at spending $330 for a 3D 1080P monitor. $400 for a quality Dell IPS 1200P monitor is certainly worth the investment.

You may not personally consider it to be but I, along with many others, would take a decent quality monitor and pay a little extra than settle for second rate TN panels. If the OP really wants to go down the 3D route, then sure, TN is his only option. But if he is open to holding off and trying to get the best gear for his money, an IPS panel is certainly one of the important things. After all, without a monitor you wouldn't be able to use your PC. And since you spend your entire time looking at the monitor, surely you want the best image possible.

So basically the cons/pros go like this;

Pros;

IPS panel
16:10 (1200P)
Better colour reproduction
Wider viewing angle
All round better image quality

Cons;

Price
Not 3D

This is up to the OP to decide. So don't come in here bashing me for suggesting an alternative monitor that ultimately is a better product. Whether you want to go for 3 x 1080P cheap monitors is your choice. I am simply saying that in my opinion, when you are spending $1900, get decent quality gear. Don't settle for second best because you get more. After all, quality > quantity.

Had you just suggested the OP look at getting 3 non-3D monitors, your post would have been constructive. Instead you chose to bash me based on a suggestion when I am trying to help the OP and give him some more choices. He doesn't have to take them, but he also doesn't need you coming in and bashing people and not having any constructive input
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Motherboard: Gigabyte Z68X-UD4
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16813128494

Case: Antec Three Hundred (this one come pre-loaded with 4x Fans +free shipping)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16811129066

If you plan to overclock your CPU and GPUs well that PSU is not overkill.

Some suggestion:

SSD: Crucial M4 (Boot drive)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820148447

GPUs: MSI GTX570 TwinFrozr III (its the best GTX570 on the market IMO)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814127582

RAM: G.Skill Sniper 2x4GB (Cheaper, look better, low voltage required (1.25v) same speed)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820231461

Heatsink: Scythe Mugen 3
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16835185168

You have other option , like the Venomous X, Coolermaster V6GT, Corsair H80, A70
Something really cheap and better than 212+ .. a Corsair A50

I havnt read the whole thread but I think some ppl do not support your monitor choice and are suggesting you to pick 1200p 60hz monitor with IPS panel or some said you should take 3x cheap 1080p monitor. Ok first dont go with 3x 1080p monitor you will be bottlenecked by the VRAM on the GTX570 unless you go with two HD6950/6970 stay with one monitor. You want a 120hz LCD monitor, Fine , I totally agree with you, everything is so much smoother, even on your desktop, if you havnt experienced a 120hz lcd monitor yet bah you will understand what i mean =) plus its 3D ready

Edit : Meh.. I linked everything from newegg.ca, oh well if u happen to live in canada, dont buy at newegg heheh , go to directcanada.com!
Edited by DarkBlade6 - 8/1/11 at 1:42am
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I apologise for the bashing, I was in a bit of a rush to a sports meeting. It just urks me when people spend that much on one thing

From what google has given me IPS monitors have definate colour superiority and viewing angle but to me is not worth the extra cost. I have IPS monitors at work and can see the difference to my home Asus TN in terms of quality. Without going into depth on the TN vs IPS debate IPS has more ghosting effects and motion blur on gaming as well as a high response time while TN is better while cutting corners with the viewing angle and colour representation (not sure if recent IPS models dont have that problem). TN's have 16:10 1200P as well

At a cost/performance ratio it would be beneficial if he saved the money spent on an IPS panel and put it elsewhere (keyboard/mouse/peripherials) as long as hes not picky about the difference in colour output between the two. Personally im not a fussy person so I can deal with minor colour differences but as a gamer i'd want the best response rate rather than quality. Judging from his posts hes not 18 yet so i'd assume hes more of a gamer

On the point of constuctive feedback which I did not do previously rather than getting an expensive IPS or 3 cheaper TN's, either a single TN (recom the Asus VE24xx range) or keep with the 120Hz as DarkBlade said, 120Hz is wonderfully smooth. Save the money and use it elsewhere, TN panels arent horrible they are just slightly worse; like comparing a 9600 to a 8800 in gaming

Also to pull a superiority comment on IPS I'd quote on the debate of CRT's vs LCD's in general. As far as I know the high end CRT's like the one in my sig still beat any LCD in terms of quality as well as ghosting and response rate(absolutely none). The only problem is they are big, clunky and take up alot of space as well as weighing a ton(not to mention being unfashionable+power). Yet if I lowered the res and cranked up the Hz i could technically use 3D(maybe, but unlikely). Being the dinosaurs they are you can get them for almost free off online auctions, its whether you can be bothered with the inconvienences. Saving $200 (assuming TN panels are half the cost of IPS), maybe getting 580's(?) would be more beneficial than increased view angle(your going to be perpendicular to the screen anyway+you can adjust it) and more colour output(its not like TN only does black,grey,brown and white, it dosent make everything look horrible)

with 3x1080P you would as Dark said be b'necked by the vram but only if you cranked the AA, I only suggested it as it looks better than where 3d is standing right now but since it costs more id refrain from it.

Again sorry for bashing you

EDIT: The only reason I dislike Dell is that their products are overpriced in NZ :L

The reason that he was going for that $330 3d monitor was because he wanted 3d in which case niether of our recoms would work.

Also if he did go for around $200 TN then he could get a 2600k instead of 2500 (dunno the performance benefit though)
Edited by SpartanVXL - 8/1/11 at 3:55am
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I do not recommend watercooling for a first time user. I'm also not sure if you need a HDMI for a monitor. I think you might be better off with the VGA cable.
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I've heard that 2*4GB are easier to OC that's why, I don't feel confortable with watercooling sorry and also would like to spend not more than 90$ on a case
So you are spending $700 on video cards but don't want to spend $90 on a case?
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I apologise for the bashing, I was in a bit of a rush to a sports meeting. It just urks me when people spend that much on one thing

From what google has given me IPS monitors have definate colour superiority and viewing angle but to me is not worth the extra cost. I have IPS monitors at work and can see the difference to my home Asus TN in terms of quality. Without going into depth on the TN vs IPS debate IPS has more ghosting effects and motion blur on gaming as well as a high response time while TN is better while cutting corners with the viewing angle and colour representation (not sure if recent IPS models dont have that problem). TN's have 16:10 1200P as well

At a cost/performance ratio it would be beneficial if he saved the money spent on an IPS panel and put it elsewhere (keyboard/mouse/peripherials) as long as hes not picky about the difference in colour output between the two. Personally im not a fussy person so I can deal with minor colour differences but as a gamer i'd want the best response rate rather than quality. Judging from his posts hes not 18 yet so i'd assume hes more of a gamer

On the point of constuctive feedback which I did not do previously rather than getting an expensive IPS or 3 cheaper TN's, either a single TN (recom the Asus VE24xx range) or keep with the 120Hz as DarkBlade said, 120Hz is wonderfully smooth. Save the money and use it elsewhere, TN panels arent horrible they are just slightly worse; like comparing a 9600 to a 8800 in gaming

Also to pull a superiority comment on IPS I'd quote on the debate of CRT's vs LCD's in general. As far as I know the high end CRT's like the one in my sig still beat any LCD in terms of quality as well as ghosting and response rate(absolutely none). The only problem is they are big, clunky and take up alot of space as well as weighing a ton(not to mention being unfashionable+power). Yet if I lowered the res and cranked up the Hz i could technically use 3D(maybe, but unlikely). Being the dinosaurs they are you can get them for almost free off online auctions, its whether you can be bothered with the inconvienences. Saving $200 (assuming TN panels are half the cost of IPS), maybe getting 580's(?) would be more beneficial than increased view angle(your going to be perpendicular to the screen anyway+you can adjust it) and more colour output(its not like TN only does black,grey,brown and white, it dosent make everything look horrible)

with 3x1080P you would as Dark said be b'necked by the vram but only if you cranked the AA, I only suggested it as it looks better than where 3d is standing right now but since it costs more id refrain from it.

Again sorry for bashing you

EDIT: The only reason I dislike Dell is that their products are overpriced in NZ :L

The reason that he was going for that $330 3d monitor was because he wanted 3d in which case niether of our recoms would work.

Also if he did go for around $200 TN then he could get a 2600k instead of 2500 (dunno the performance benefit though)
I agree with most of this, except the dell part, I own a dell laptop and I've been really happy with it, in fact I almost got an m17x, but hey no hard feelings dude! after all we all have our diference in what we want when we're gaming because we know what we want and what components are worth the premium.

I want 3D, the thing is that most people think it not worth the premium but haven't found a single 120Hz user who didn't love it.. One thing I do have 1900 and a little more to spend but it doesn't mean I want to spend it all

I wouldn't spend 400$ on a non 3D monitor, sorry even though I'm looking for a future proof systems wich means quality and a stable system is a MUST A 200$ 250$ monitor would be enough for me needs, as I say we all know what we want! I just don't know what hardware exactly is gonna give me it
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So you are spending $700 on video cards but don't want to spend $90 on a case?
First time builder, my bad I left the case for last and didn't make it a priority, Also does anyone know how to quote more than one user I would like to answe all without bombing the thread with my coments
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Clearly you don't like Dell. Even though they are probably the best monitors for their price range (espeically their IPS monitors).

IPS is not a waste for gamers. Why settle for worse colour reproduction, smaller viewing angle and an all round inferior product?

Since he was already looking at spending $330 for a 3D 1080P monitor. $400 for a quality Dell IPS 1200P monitor is certainly worth the investment.

You may not personally consider it to be but I, along with many others, would take a decent quality monitor and pay a little extra than settle for second rate TN panels. If the OP really wants to go down the 3D route, then sure, TN is his only option. But if he is open to holding off and trying to get the best gear for his money, an IPS panel is certainly one of the important things. After all, without a monitor you wouldn't be able to use your PC. And since you spend your entire time looking at the monitor, surely you want the best image possible.

So basically the cons/pros go like this;

Pros;

IPS panel
16:10 (1200P)
Better colour reproduction
Wider viewing angle
All round better image quality

Cons;

Price
Not 3D

This is up to the OP to decide. So don't come in here bashing me for suggesting an alternative monitor that ultimately is a better product. Whether you want to go for 3 x 1080P cheap monitors is your choice. I am simply saying that in my opinion, when you are spending $1900, get decent quality gear. Don't settle for second best because you get more. After all, quality > quantity.

Had you just suggested the OP look at getting 3 non-3D monitors, your post would have been constructive. Instead you chose to bash me based on a suggestion when I am trying to help the OP and give him some more choices. He doesn't have to take them, but he also doesn't need you coming in and bashing people and not having any constructive input
Thank you And no I don't plan on going surround, this is my first built and that seems way to complicated and for me not worth the money because as you said quality > quantity, although for me the IPS pannel isn't too sorry I'm sure than a single LCD ( 3D or not) is enough for my needs
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