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I am currently undervolting my 560BE (sig rig) to keep it under 60c until I can get a Hyper 212. Stock speeds are too warm for my tastes, I've re-applied TIM 2 times and I'm confident it is great, and it still gets up to 65c in p95, at stock speeds/ I stop testing at that point and am now in the process of a downclock/undervolt. I can get it p95 stable @ 59c/60c at 2.8 x2 or 2.2 x4 at 1.150 volts.

Do you bank more performance out of cores or clock speed? Seems like I notice better performance with it unlocked to x4, but have to downclock it severely to keep it cool...
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Where are you getting those temps? What software? And is that core temp or cpu temp?

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I am currently undervolting my 560BE (sig rig) to keep it under 60c until I can get a Hyper 212. Stock speeds are too warm for my tastes, I've re-applied TIM 2 times and I'm confident it is great, and it still gets up to 65c in p95, at stock speeds/ I stop testing at that point and am now in the process of a downclock/undervolt. I can get it p95 stable @ 59c/60c at 2.8 x2 or 2.2 x4 at 1.150 volts.

Do you bank more performance out of cores or clock speed? Seems like I notice better performance with it unlocked to x4, but have to downclock it severely to keep it cool...
For games or other single threaded apps, go for the faster clock x2. For transcoding videos, video editing and any other multithreaded apps, the quad will complete the same work in much shorter time
    
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Where are you getting those temps? What software? And is that core temp or cpu temp?

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HWmonitor, Everest, AMD Overdrive. It is CPU temp, core temp is actually about 10c lower on average when it's not unlocked (when it's unlocked core temps read 0c). This build started with a cheap PSU/Case combo that I acquired for free. Just replacing the cheapo fan that came with the case got me almost 10c cooler.

Thank you RobWadeson. I may shoot for a 2.5 x3 clock to leave it at for now until I can get a cooler in. We shall see. I'm tempted to just run it at the stock 3.3 x2, it pretty much never sees load... But I don't want to risk it with all the different people that are on it, who knows what could happen.

I was actually thinking along the lines of several web pages open, a download going, music in the background, a word document being edited. Does Windows utilize threads effectively during all of this multi-tasking? Am I better off with a higher clock?
Edited by DizturbedOne - 8/1/11 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by robwadeson View Post
For games or other single threaded apps, go for the faster clock x2. For transcoding videos, video editing and any other multithreaded apps, the quad will complete the same work in much shorter time
This.
if your BIOS can set BIOS profiles, run both!
Switch between 2 cores @ 2.8 or 4 core @ 2.2 using the BIOS profile switching tool, depending on what you need to do on your comp.

Requires a lot of restarts but hey it's efficient computing that way!
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I'd get more than a 212+ if you're going to run it as a quad, unless you have something like a HAF getting really good airflow.
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I figure it should be fine with a 212+, if I can unlock it to x4 and be stable at stock clock, I will be fine, and see no need to OC at all. If it only goes to x3, I'll bump the clock to 3.5/3.6 or so. How much cooler do I need to run it at stock clock x3 or x4? I doubt much. Plus, when I get the cooler I will tear down my computer enough to do some serious cable management, which should help a LOT on it's own.

It only sees light gaming, it is mostly a browser/photoshop/media server computer.
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post #8 of 12
This CPU would do great with a 212+...

If you apply your paste properly the 212+ takes you a long way, I used it on my old rig (specs below)

HAF 932 Original with Stock cooling
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Core i7 870 @ 2.93GHz + HT Enabled
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1GB GeForce GTX 285
3x SATA HDD's

And I'm almost positive my temps never exceeded 60~62C load, but it's been awhile since I had that PC. Been too long, at that..
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The 212+ is really effective if you have a case with two 120mm up top (exhausting), an opening for air on the side door, and you point the H212 to direct the air out the top, like this:



It actually out-cools my H5O this way, idle as well as load. Otherwise just by itself it's outrun by larger coolers or the H5O.
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Seriously I have no idea how you are running that hot even on a stock cooler.It must be very hot in your room,or you have no ventihilation in your case.I was able to keep an AMD dual-core around 3.6GHz at 1.5+volts with a stock cooler and never hit over 52c,with 32c ambients.A Hyper 212+ is not going to cool a CPU in a closed box,or bring the temps much lower with extremely high ambients.
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