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Originally Posted by CorsairGeorge View Post
The H80 actually fares pretty well here, especially considering it wasn't maxed out thermally at the heat loads provided.

Here's a quote from the review:



Basically, in his review, the H80 fans were probably running around 1800-2000 RPM based on the coolant temp instead of the 2600 RPM max. He probably got them to max in his "unofficial" test, but otherwise this was right around the same RPM as the H70 fans.

The H80 wasn't designed to beat the snot out of the Noctua NH-D14 in every situation. It was designed to offer a few more benefits aside from just raw performance, including mounting weight on the CPU socket, portability, ability to work around your CPU socket and swap out other components without removing your heatsink, built-in fan control profiles, etc.

To be honest, if you'd rather have a Noctua NH-D14, then by all means, I won't begrudge you. The entire point of the Hydro series is to give people another option. And a lot of people want that option. The Hydro series has been hugely successful for us, as evidenced by every major competitor announcing their own version of it this year. Antec, Cooler Master, Thermaltake, Scythe - everyone is jumping into this market because a lot of people want the product.

This competition is great for you guys - it forces everyone to make better, cheaper products every year. The H80 costs exactly the same as last year's H70, and has better fans, a built-in fan controller, and significantly better performance at the same noise levels, with the potential to go to even better levels of performance at higher noise levels.
Test all those coolers with same fans and you will see that the difference is more then 2-3C.
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What do you mean by this? Are you implying that air coolers like the NH-D14 and Silver damage the cpu socket with their weight? Because if you are then you lose some credibility. I know you have to promote your product but using rubbish like that is laughable.
Not in most instances, no. But if the systems is being shipped or moved around a lot with a big heatsink on it, it can cause microfractures in the PCB which can in turn cause very difficult-to-diagnose system crashes.

This is why almost none of the bigger gaming system builders like using huge heatsinks in their cases. They have to build the thing up, then ship it out via UPS or whatever, and the bouncing and movement of shipping has caused higher RMAs in the past.

So yeah, for me or you, who build a system and leave it in one place 99% of the time, it's not an issue. But for guys who go to weekly LAN parties or guys who are building systems to ship out, it's a very real issue, and a real benefit to having low-weight mounted on the motherboard itself and the real weight mounted to the chassis instead.
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Test all those coolers with same fans and you will see that the difference is more then 2-3C.
We have tested a lot of those coolers with the same fans. Some are optimized for low RPM fans, others are optimized for higher RPM fans. Just because a unit kicks ass at 1300 RPM doesn't mean it'll kick twice as much ass at 2600 RPM. At some point, adding more airflow doesn't help because it's not your performance bottleneck.
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Originally Posted by cmeeks View Post
You beat me to it, CorsairGeorge. I think reviewers ought to make sure the fans and pump are maxed out for their testing. It's going to suck if the results from every other review are the product of different pump and fan speeds. Nobody takes one review as the gospel unless they are a fool. Instead, most people draw conclusions based on several different reviews.
Well said.

You should read as many reviews as possible - the law of large numbers says that the more reviews that get published, the closer you get to the actual performance delta.
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We have tested a lot of those coolers with the same fans. Some are optimized for low RPM fans, others are optimized for higher RPM fans. Just because a unit kicks ass at 1300 RPM doesn't mean it'll kick twice as much ass at 2600 RPM. At some point, adding more airflow doesn't help because it's not your performance bottleneck.
Well think of it this way. 80% of the time you will need the fans at low so instead of looking at high performance at high speed fans look at it as low performance at low speed fans. So instead of bring the Noctua to 2600RPM bring H80 down to 1300RPM for close to sound profile. Also all my argument is based purely in OCN and got nothing to do with average joe which buys his computer at alienware.
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Well think of it this way. 80% of the time you will need the fans at low so instead of looking at high performance at high speed fans look at it as low performance at low speed fans. So instead of bring the Noctua to 2600RPM bring H80 down to 1300RPM for close to sound profile. Also all my argument is based purely in OCN and got nothing to do with average joe which buys his computer at alienware.
I have no idea what this statement was supposed to mean.
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I have no idea what this statement was supposed to mean.
First sentence states: To get equal footing bring the H80 fans to same speed as Noctua for fair comparison. Second sentence states: The argument about shipping and moving is irrelevant to OCN.
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First sentence states: To get equal footing bring the H80 fans to same speed as Noctua for fair comparison. Second sentence states: The argument about shipping and moving is irrelevant to OCN.
It's a stock for stock comparison. There's no point in bringing the fan speed down because that's what comes with the cooler. The H80 was designed around the fans it came with, as was the Noctua.

As far as moving, that I can agree with. But people who go to LAN parties a lot might want something smaller like an H series so they can cram it all in a small case, like the one from NZXT with the handle.
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Cumon guys why fight, clearly one person likes the D 14 and another likes the H80....

Its always gunna be this way and i dont see reason to argue...
obviously George has to defend corsair even if he doesnt agree, and come up reasons to back up corsair...

personally im on the H80 side for space saving, looks and the water without the hassle side....

performance different is little enough to choose which one you like the look of...


But E.O.D there will always be differences why stab at eachother for it ?
    
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Also all my argument is based purely in OCN and got nothing to do with average joe which buys his computer at alienware.
I disagree that it's irrelevant. There are a lot of people here who go to LAN parties, and a lot of people here got their first computer from somebody like Cyberpower or iBuypower or Digital Storm or Alienware or Voodoo.

I know that's how I got into the hobby 15 years ago. I just upgraded one piece at a time until I had eventually built a whole new PC, and then I sold that and started building my own.
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