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just slap another 6850 in there and dont tell him:D
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What games are you playing?

You sure you're using the same AA/AF?
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Does your friend have a 560 or a 560Ti? Big difference there.
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GTX 560 is just an overclocked GTX 460 which was on par if not faster than a single HD6850. It's not wonder your friend is getting better FPS.
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On release wasn't the 6850 10% faster than the 460?
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-amp-edition-gtx-560-directcu-ii-top,2944-17.html

1920x1080, not too big a difference, might just be playing nvidia favored games.

460 < 6850, especially once you look at power consumption. There is an argument to be made about overclock potential, however they both overclock well.

I tend to favor AMD, since I'm more concerned about minimum fps as opposed to average.
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RedCloudFuneral;14437662 
On release wasn't the 6850 10% faster than the 460?
When their default image quality was set to "performance" instead of "quality." Overall they're almost identical in performance at stock.
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Originally Posted by Badness;14455062 
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-amp-edition-gtx-560-directcu-ii-top,2944-17.html

1920x1080, not too big a difference, might just be playing nvidia favored games.

460 < 6850, especially once you look at power consumption. There is an argument to be made about overclock potential, however they both overclock well.

I tend to favor AMD, since I'm more concerned about minimum fps as opposed to average.
I don't know what you're looking at but the 560 non-Ti is significantly faster than the 6850.

Explain to me how the 40W difference between the 6850 and 460 makes the 6850 a better card. It's consumes less power but runs significantly hotter. Most people care much more about the temperature difference than the slightly increased power consumption.

The 6850 does not overclock as well as the 460.
HD6800-OC-90.jpg
For the most relevant benchmark, 1920x1080 at 4x AA, the overclocked 460 is 15% faster than the overclocked 6850.

What does minimum frames have to do with this? The 560 is still faster than the 6850 for minimum FPS:
GTX560-1GB-39.jpg
On the Frostbyte engine which favors AMD.
GTX560-1GB-63.jpg
Notice the same FPS in F1, a game that favors AMD even more so than BC2.

The 560 is about the same performance as the 6870 and should be priced accordingly.
GTX560-1GB-66.jpg
Notice at 1920x1080 it has the same performance as the 6870.

The 560 is probably still better than the 6870 for a single GPU because it overclocks better.
    
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I was talking about the 6850 compared to the 460, and AMD cards in general.

I never said the 6850 performed better than a 560, ti or otherwise.

Also, you're right about the temps. AMD supplied a much worse cooler reference design. However, I have tested a msi cyclone version of both a 460 and a 6850. Used tuniq tx-3 on both of them.

6850 was 24C cooler in furmark and about 10C cooler in tf2.

I never buy reference coolers, but you've made an excellent point. If forced into using reference cooled cards only, I'd be down with a 460 over a 6850.

I never said that the 6850 overclocked better, however in my case, both the 6850s I tested were able to hit over 1100mhz on core, and the memory sky rocketed. If I still had the 6850 cards, I'd test which was faster overclocked, max volts and stock volts clocks.
By the way, I posted the toms thing to show that the 6850 was faster, but not a whole 10% faster.

"1920x1080, not too big a difference, might just be playing nvidia favored games." was a guess to why his friend was getting much better frame rates
Edited by Badness - 8/3/11 at 10:01pm
 
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post #19 of 45
Quote:
Originally Posted by MinitroN;14455484 

I don't know what you're looking at but the 560 non-Ti is significantly faster than the 6850.
No arguments there.
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Originally Posted by MinitroN;14455484 
Explain to me how the 40W difference between the 6850 and 460 makes the 6850 a better card. It's consumes less power but runs significantly hotter. Most people care much more about the temperature difference than the slightly increased power consumption.

The 6850 does not overclock as well as the 460.
HD6800-OC-90.jpg
For the most relevant benchmark, 1920x1080 at 4x AA, the overclocked 460 is 15% faster than the overclocked 6850.

What does minimum frames have to do with this? The 560 is still faster than the 6850 for minimum FPS:
GTX560-1GB-39.jpg
On the Frostbyte engine which favors AMD.
GTX560-1GB-63.jpg
Notice the same FPS in F1, a game that favors AMD even more so than BC2.

The reference design yes but as the poster above me stated that's been taken care of by the non-reference designs of the MSI Cyclone, Sapphire, Asus etc.

Also correct me if i am wrong but that's a pretty hefty OC on the 460 and i am guessing with added voltage (looking at your sig) whereas pretty much any 6850 will do 891 on core w/o any added voltage so its still got a bit of headroom left. So am i then wrong in guessing that the difference will be south of 15%?
Edited by Nihilanth - 8/4/11 at 5:46am
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850 is a normal overclock for a 460. Both of these overclocks represent decent but not extreme overclocks. I run them lower than their maximum overclock because I'm in SLi and quite frankly they just destroy everything at 1920x1080.

I should have linked the whole review but the point was to compare what would be "m edium" overclocks on both cards. Either way, it's pretty obvious the 460 not only overclocks better but scales better when overclocked. This is an overclocking forum so it should be noteworthy.

nvidia reference coolers are much better than AMD reference coolers so you don't have to pay a premium for a cool running card.

The "normal" overclock of a 6850 is ~950 and the normal overclock of the 460 is ~850. Both can go a bit higher.

Even at that speed the 6850 is about as fast as a stock 6870 while the chart shows the overclocked 460 is 11% faster than the stock 6870 at 1920x1080 with 4x AA.
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