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Oh nice. That's certainly an upgrade from the TR2!!



@Ihasfip:

I should have said something, but what jivenjune said here is exactly why I said everything that I have said. However, I have a feeling that Bulldozer could be similar to Sandy Bridge (current socket 1155) in that the overclocking experience depends mostly on the physical CPU you end up with. Until Sandy Bridge came out, the motherboard was always the main determining factor. So it feels like things are changing a little bit, almost as though CPUs and motherboards (especially motherboards, actually) are being developed for overclockers.

So of course with Bulldozer, time will tell. For now, I'll just say that the motherboard is still the main determining factor for every single AMD system (the PSU goes without saying). This isn't to say that the CPU has nothing to do with it, but it's that the motherboard plays a bigger role.
Yea, last night I spent about 4 hours trying to push my overclock farther than 4.2 and get it stable. Not much of a chance I don't think without a crazy amount of voltage. I tried every sort of combination of FSB, and multipliers, and voltages, and the only time I could get it to boot a 4.3 or 4.4 it crashed shortly after with a code relating to ram I think.

I started a thread on it, but not a single reply....so I guess I am kinda stuck. LOL

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SOOOO unless my psu has something to do with it, I will just wait until I get a new mobo or something...or sell it all and go intel.
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Yea, last night I spent about 4 hours trying to push my overclock farther than 4.2 and get it stable. Not much of a chance I don't think without a crazy amount of voltage. I tried every sort of combination of FSB, and multipliers, and voltages, and the only time I could get it to boot a 4.3 or 4.4 it crashed shortly after with a code relating to ram I think.

I started a thread on it, but not a single reply....so I guess I am kinda stuck. LOL

D

SOOOO unless my psu has something to do with it, I will just wait until I get a new mobo or something...or sell it all and go intel.
I think you might just be limited in the same way I was limited with my E8400. Even with the mighty EP45-UD3P, I still stayed at 4.05GHz (3.0GHz stock) because I could get up to about 4.25GHz rock-solid stable, but it required way too much of a voltage increase just for ~200MHz more.

However, replace the PSU with that Strider ASAP. According to that article by Phaedrus2129 ("On Thermaltake"), it's not exactly safe to overclock with those TR2 units.
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Yea mine even has the E199442 number on it... o.0

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The motherboard can be more important than the CPU. Even the best golden chip can be stuck at 4GHz by a mediocre motherboard.
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The motherboard can be more important than the CPU. Even the best golden chip can be stuck at 4GHz by a mediocre motherboard.
+1 ^With the Asus boards,you can have a large amount of vdroop as a result of the LLC,so you might have to use more voltage than without it.Also the temp of your chipsets and VRM's can also make a difference.
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Enabling LLC reduces (and sometimes eliminates) vDroop. Disabling it allows vDroop.

Or is this the opposite with AMD?
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Enabling LLC reduces (and sometimes eliminates) vDroop. Disabling it allows vDroop.

Or is this the opposite with AMD?
Some motherboards have different adjustments,so who's to say how they each work in bios.Iv'e had one Asus that allowed around 8 different settings from 0-100%.The higher it was the more voltage spike you would see.Default bios was 50% I think.
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I just want to mention I am running 4.2 on a 45 dollar jetway microatx motherboard. at 1.55 volts... which after droop is 1.53... Its a dangerous life I lead.


More on topic... I would say motherboard matters for voltage regulation, bios options (I have about half the options as other OCers I know), and memory stability. I can't move to 4.25 with 1.65 volts either.
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Some motherboards have different adjustments,so who's to say how they each work in bios.Iv'e had one Asus that allowed around 8 different settings from 0-100%.The higher it was the more voltage spike you would see.Default bios was 50% I think.
All I'm saying is that the purpose for enabling LLC is to reduce the amount of vDroop by allowing less of it. It's also normal that higher settings cause vRise.
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Enabling LLC reduces (and sometimes eliminates) vDroop. Disabling it allows vDroop.

Or is this the opposite with AMD?
I could be wrong but it seems by disabling it on my board requires more voltage just to boot.

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+1 ^With the Asus boards,you can have a large amount of vdroop as a result of the LLC,so you might have to use more voltage than without it.Also the temp of your chipsets and VRM's can also make a difference.
My board doesn't really have any LLC options. It has the CPU llc thing - On Off and auto, and then it has the CPU/NB llc with the same settings. You can't change how much.

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All I'm saying is that the purpose for enabling LLC is to reduce the amount of vDroop by allowing less of it. It's also normal that higher settings cause vRise.
I have also noticed that when I set the voltgage at a certain setting in the BIOS, when I boot up it is quite a bit more...like 1.47v in the bios equals between 1.5-1.512 just browsing the web. And when I put it at a full load like intel burn the voltage will jump to 1.548. Again this is all with the bios setting of 1.47v.....I don't like that. LOL

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