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post #21 of 32
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Originally Posted by Riou;14448173 
Why would you have to install a video driver or X on a Linux server?

Why not? Not everyone has access to enterprise-level servers. There's a lot of people out there that would like to use an old workstation to do remote management of other systems. GUI's are very convenient, and the general bad attitude toward them from "admin folk" is pretty ridiculous. Not everyone wants to learn or even needs to know command-line.
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CLI is great and all, but I thought the whole point of GUI was to create a better user experience...? Admins are users too frown.gif
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post #23 of 32
The only place I see Mac servers getting use would be in all-Mac workstation situations.

Linux Server distros are free, can be deployed on any hardware, and are basically bulletproof. Personally, I like the Linux distros the best. Once you get used to the CLI, the GUI will seem very, very slow and clunky in comparison.

Windows Server is basically necessary for any networks with Windows computers deployed due to Active Directory, and in some cases Microsoft SQL (some programs require it specifically).
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post #24 of 32
no samba im assuming...

my linux box box runs a samba server... with x, and i can remote into it...

and this is all on a p4 that boots up in minutes, and with next to nothing of work in terminal... (if none at all)
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post #25 of 32
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They currently do not have any server hardware at this point.
Yeah, they killed the glorious Xserve because it wasn't raking in the dough like the iPad and the App Store. Apple is so retarded.
post #26 of 32
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Originally Posted by XNine View Post
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Yup, thought not. Let me sudo grep all my drivers on Linux while OS X is up and running in minutes. Oh, darn, Video driver doesn't work well with this distro of Linux. Well, let's just find a different distro.

OS X and it's server are quite usefull, despite what the trolls say.
Actually I had my CentOS server up and running in 30mins, no drivers needed for install (it even picked up my raid config) Samba is configured in the GUI now with CentOS and RHEL.



So to re-enforce Coma's point, I can't see a single use for this unless you need to use some sort of Mac specific software you need to share across a LAN. Also not to mention you have to buy Mac hardware to install this on, or you could just spend < $500 and get a box with windows home server on it.
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post #27 of 32
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GUI's are very convenient, and the general bad attitude toward them from "admin folk" is pretty ridiculous. Not everyone wants to learn or even needs to know command-line.
Admin folk have good reasons for liking a command-line only environment. The main one being is the entire overhead of running all of the graphical environment is gone. Most admins also prefer shell-only environments because of the scripting and low-level functions that are tedious to do in a graphical environment.

Say you want to backup your raid, and a special few folders on the boot disk - you can do it with the many other back-up utilities, but with the shell, it's as simple as typing one command (rsync) into one of the cron scripts, which execute on a predefined frequency. You can control where the data goes for back-up, if it goes there in plain-text or over a form of encryption, you can set it to go to multiple back-ups if you need, if you want the data compressed into many formats, and much more. Check it out here if you care to.

Many admins, especially those who work with Linux/BSD/Unix/other *nix OSes, also grew up using only the command line, before GUIs were used at all in sever operating systems.

If you want to pay the $50 for a Lion server, and it's the right choice for the job, go ahead. If you want to use WHS for however much it costs right now, go ahead. But keep in mind that the majority of the servers in the world use Linux, and if you have aspirations to be a network admin or an admin of sorts, you better be able to use a CLI, a GUI, and any choice of operating systems needed.
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post #28 of 32
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Originally Posted by ArchLinuxFTW View Post
snippy
I'm not arguing the validity of what you say, it's all true. But to say OS X server is useless is far from the truth. Just as well, it can be run through CLI, or through the GUI.

I prefer the GUI as Server-Admin is not and will not be my specialty, so wasting time on learning the ins and outs of CLI isn't worth it to me. Just needed it to do a few things and got it done, effortlessly, and surprisingly fast.

Linux of course is the majority of the market, but that's not what my arguement was regarding.

Again, it's been quite some time since I used OS X server, but it does serve (no pun intended) a purpose and does so well.
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Yeah, they killed the glorious Xserve because it wasn't raking in the dough like the iPad and the App Store. Apple is so retarded.
The Mac Mini is the Xserve replacement. You purchase a shelf that makes it rackmountable.
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post #30 of 32
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The Mac Mini is the Xserve replacement. You purchase a shelf that makes it rackmountable.
We just purchased one to replace our dead xserve. The problem is it does not have LOM or dual power supplies. It does have 2 network interfaces if you count wifi and ethernet.
    
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