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Originally Posted by Citra View Post
The Mac Mini is the Xserve replacement. You purchase a shelf that makes it rackmountable.
The Mac mini is not a viable Xserve replacement. It has...
  • No LOM
  • No redundant power supply
  • No server-grade CPUs (a.k.a Xeons)
  • No ECC memory support
  • No dual-CPU/NUMA
  • No hot-swappable drives/drive bays
  • Not rackmountable without purchasing additional equipment
  • Laptop CPUs, laptop drives, laptop RAM
The Mac Mini server would've been an excellent option alongside the Xserve, for customers who want a lower-end server and don't need the power of the Xserve. However, there were plenty of customers who did need it, and now they're having to either a) use the inferior Mac Pro, or b) switch to a different server platform.

Apple's decision to kill the Xserve is still very baffling to me, it has to be the dumbest thing they've done in years.
post #32 of 32
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Originally Posted by Birdy1337 View Post
Yeah I dont know why you would use a OS X server for anyways. Windows and Linux basically covers everything I need. Linux for Web, Windows for dedicated game servers.
Don't most games with dedicated servers have a Linux client for the server part, anyway?

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Originally Posted by XNine View Post
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Yup, thought not. Let me sudo grep all my drivers on Linux while OS X is up and running in minutes. Oh, darn, Video driver doesn't work well with this distro of Linux. Well, let's just find a different distro.

OS X and it's server are quite usefull, despite what the trolls say.
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Yup, thought not. Let me click the button called "Restricted Drivers" in Ubuntu, restart. Oh wow, look at that! Drivers are installed!

What if I want CLI only? Well, not sure of the exact commands but on Arch it's as simple as pacman -S nvidia nvidia-utils and then pressing "Y" and restarting, hell, you don't have to restart if you really don't want to, what do these have to do with the usefulness of OS X server? The average network admin doesn't have to install X, graphical drivers, wifi drivers or TV tuner drivers and other than that, I don't think there's been a part for a long time that hasn't had good Linux support from day one, at least, a part that would 1) be in a server and 2) has a decent amount of users using it, not just some rare as hell tape reader that about three people own.

And for servers..Want CLI? BSD or Linux. Want a GUI? Linux or Windows Server. Mac OS X Server really doesn't offer much over either alternative, as much as I'd like to see POSIX OS' take over much more than the server market. (The less mentally deficient coding in OS, the better)

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Originally Posted by XNine View Post
Why not? Not everyone has access to enterprise-level servers. There's a lot of people out there that would like to use an old workstation to do remote management of other systems. GUI's are very convenient, and the general bad attitude toward them from "admin folk" is pretty ridiculous. Not everyone wants to learn or even needs to know command-line.
Because the command-line is far faster and more efficient for servers, you don't tend to use them every day in varying ways (eg. a desktop) which is where a GUI really works well.

Plus it's pretty easy to set up a shell script to do certain commands automatically, say I want to format a new disk and share it via the network? Easy to set up via CLI to the point where once the file is made, it'd take longer to do in a GUI than in a CLI. Add in the fact that CLI uses far less resources than a GUI...


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Originally Posted by Ruei View Post
CLI is great and all, but I thought the whole point of GUI was to create a better user experience...? Admins are users too
For the typical workloads of a server, a GUI only causes worse user experience except for those who don't know any commands/don't have a reference nearby, CLI does the same job faster (Shell script means I just type say, "drivemount" and it'll do it all automatically rather than having to go via a GUI)


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Originally Posted by XNine View Post
Again, it's been quite some time since I used OS X server, but it does serve (no pun intended) a purpose and does so well.
Then what is the purpose? Every purpose I've seen for it is fulfilled by WHS, Linux or BSD.


That said, I wish the admins who prefer a GUI would go to OS X rather than WHS, I would love for a POSIX to be the predominant force, even if it isn't a Linux distro, relatively easy conversion between them all from a coders perspective and they tend to handle hardware better than Windows.
    
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