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When we get to that point, we'd have some system of controlling them. It'd be ridiculous if we just let them run rampant and "learn" whatever they want.

They aren't going to be able to do diddly.
Likely true. However what happens if the robots, in their advanced IQ, found a way to bypass our system of controlling them because our "inferior IQ" didn't recognize a flaw?

This stuff is really exciting and terrify at the same time, in my opnion.
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You really need to think outside of the box. What our technology is at now will be far inferior and different than what it will be 100 years from now. As I said up above, 200-300 years ago they would of never dreamed of the stuff we have now as possible. Just because it is not possible right now, does not mean technology advancements won't make it possible in the future.

No offense, but right now your thinking on this subject is very linear. Look at the whole grand scheme of things. You can't sit there and tell us you know what the future will bring, or what advancements the human race will make. It's just not possible.
I might like to point out that he was correct in a way. The human brain is far more complex than man is capable of replicating right now. Maybe in the future, we might have the capability to produce the equivalent of a human brain, but this poses some huge ethical questions because you are producing a being that is capable of thinking and living like a human being. How should they be treated? This becomes a huge problem.

Also, the engineering problem. The human brain was developed over millions of years of natural selection. No doubt, there are functions that are designed so perfectly, that it would be extremely difficult to implement it like nature made it. For example, the human visual system or linguistic system isn't what programmers are out there programming for robots. Therefore, I believe that there will be aspects of human learning that will not be implemented in artificial intelligence. I assert that if it isn't a human brain, it cannot not think and learn exactly (and as efficiently as) a human brain.

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All of our thinking is responses to stimuli.
This is a common misconception that all our thoughts are the result of stimuli. There's an argument labeled "Poverty of the Stimulus" that describes how human beings can learn a language with limited input. Moreover, human beings perform recursion in their thinking, so there can be thinking about a thought. Lastly, it has been proven that human beings are born with innate, and instinctual knowledge of the world that does not come from any stimulus. Therefore, stimuli do not trigger all our thinking or all our thoughts.
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You could never create a computer than can calculate in the same way the brain can. Computers are stupid machines. They excel in linear calculations but can't process "thinking" in the same way the brain can. It's just not possible.

Sure you can program them to "learn" and "think", but it will never be close to what our "thinking" and "learning" is.
Your right, it would calculate much faster and already know the results of its actions.

IBM would like to have a word with you...

Meet Watson
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Once robots learn that we didn't give them the ability to masturbate, they're going to be pissed....
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This is a common misconception that all our thoughts are the result of stimuli. There's an argument labeled "Poverty of the Stimulus" that describes how human beings can learn a language with limited input. Moreover, human beings perform recursion in their thinking, so there can be thinking about a thought. Lastly, it has been proven that human beings are born with innate, and instinctual knowledge of the world that does not come from any stimulus. Therefore, stimuli do not trigger all our thinking or all our thoughts.
The linguistic argument looks pretty shaky from what I picked up from 15 minutes on the internet. I really dont see any evidence that we aren't able to learn language from positive evidence.

And that we can think without a thought? Just because we can be recursive doesnt mean that we can think without a thought. I really fail to see what you are trying to say. If you are still talking about the poverty of the stimulus, then I think that you misinterpreted that part of the theory. Chomsky is saying that since there are infinite possibilities, then languages would be impossible to learn without negative evedince and that we must have innate language calpability. There is no foundation for that meaning that we can think without a thought.

And if we are born with instinctual knowledge of our world, that really wouldnt affect an argument. If we can be born with instinctive knowledge, than I dont understand why robots cant be created with knowledge already inside them. However, I do not think that you are correct, because knowledge would itself be stimuli.
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The linguistic argument looks pretty shaky from what I picked up from 15 minutes on the internet. I really dont see any evidence that we aren't able to learn language from positive evidence.
The article I believe you read said "There are patterns in all natural languages (i.e. human languages) that cannot be learned by children using positive evidence alone." It doesn't say that we aren't able to learn from positive evidence, but rather that positive evidence cannot account for everything we know.

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And that we can think without a thought?
Please re-read my previous post. It says that we can think about a thought, or more correctly, about innate knowledge that is not obtained from a stimulus.

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However, I do not think that you are correct, because knowledge would itself be stimuli.
My definition of knowledge is that it is a mental state and is inherently part of the organism. Knowledge is biologically encoded in neurons, and is much of a part of an organism as an arm as a part of an organism. A stimulus impacts an organism, and enters the organism through some form of input. Knowledge in itself is not an input unless it is being used. Therefore, only the use of knowledge has the capacity of producing a stimulus. It's like if an organism has an arm, it in itself isn't a stimulus unless it is being used.

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And if we are born with instinctual knowledge of our world, that really wouldn't affect an argument. If we can be born with instinctive knowledge, than I don't understand why robots cant be created with knowledge already inside them.
You are correct that this has no implications on robots because they too can be programmed with innate, unlearned knowledge.
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When we get to that point, we'd have some system of controlling them. It'd be ridiculous if we just let them run rampant and "learn" whatever they want.

They aren't going to be able to do diddly.
Isn't that what a strict parent says about their teenager, when in reality, they are out partying and the whatnot with the parent unaware. People can miss the obvious at times, and then strikes doom. In any case, I can't wait! It'll be an interesting time no matter what happens.
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I, Robot IRL. Get Will Smith ready.
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When we get to that point, we'd have some system of controlling them. It'd be ridiculous if we just let them run rampant and "learn" whatever they want.

They aren't going to be able to do diddly.
No, we won't have a way to control them. And that is the scary point. In every single one of the sci-fi robots take over the world scenarios, we had, or thought we had a way to control them. But the machines rose up regardless and nearly wiped us out.

Granted right now, in this present day and age, we have little to fear. But even today the machines should be hardcoded with what would amount to Asimov's 3 Laws of Robotics. And the machines should be coded at the CPU level so there is no feasible way to bypass it.

Doing so now, gives us some measure of protection, as all future generations of CPUs to robots will be coded to protect us. Foolproof? By no means. But better protection than non at all.
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2012.



Hate to do it but...

200-300 years ago you think people would believe we live as we do today? Electricity, TVs, Speakers, Planes, Jets, Cars, etc? Nope, everyone would claim you are crazy.

Just back in the 50s people called people crazy when they were first talking about video games. They claimed it was impossible to control a virtual character. When the first TVs came out, people considered it "impossible" until they actually saw one. We're talking very very crappy TVs that were consider absolutely breathtaking back then.

I'm sorry but you have absolutely no way to prove that you cannot teach robots/electronics to "think", yet your statement seems like you have got it all figured out.
sigh, so much win in a single post and yet I can't +rep you.
Now I'm sad
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