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I just feel like I'm not giving enough information to get what i really need help with. I guess you can say I'm very FPS hungry, like many others are, but at the same time i don't want to give up on a beautiful looking graphics.

I know now that I'm going i7-2600k and at least a single GTX 580. Should i Overclock at all?

I also do'nt know anything about computers other then the CPU's and Graphics cards so i could also use a little help in cooling and mother boards if thats not too much to ask for.
There we go. Seems at least like you're willing to give building it yourself a shot. If you get stuck, ask people on here. But to be honest, I imagine you will find it really easy to build. And, fingers crossed it posts on the first attempt, you wont even need to ask for help.
    
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I see that what most people recommend is building it myself, or get a friends help or of course small or large business. I don't have anyone near me to help me build the Pc, thats why i was looking at cyberpower and other places like that.
Well there is a reason for that. Because honestly, building a computer is reeeeally simple to do. Takes very little time (installing the O/S & programs, is the most time that any part of the job will take), and is not something that involves much skill.

People are intimidated because "It's electronics, and I don't know anything about electronics. Except how to turn them on!" Seriously though, I could teach a monkey to do it. Worse, the retailers, and computer shops propagate this myth. It's simply not true.

Earlier someone mentioned that iBuyPower, CyberPower (and tbh, all OEM builders too) are ripoffs. Another asked why. Well, I can promise you...once you have actually built a computer. You will be looking at those companies sideways, thinking to yourself "How do they get away with charging as much as they do for such a simple job???"

That said, there are many people here, who will help walk you through assembly. Or answer any questions, and help with any problems you may have along the way.
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post #23 of 87
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I just feel like I'm not giving enough information to get what i really need help with. I guess you can say I'm very FPS hungry, like many others are, but at the same time i don't want to give up on a beautiful looking graphics.

I know now that I'm going i7-2600k and at least a single GTX 580. Should i Overclock at all?

I also do'nt know anything about computers other then the CPU's and Graphics cards so i could also use a little help in cooling and mother boards if thats not too much to ask for.
I actually learned all my information about computers on this very site and a couple of other online guides. But the thing is, you're building a gaming computer. A 2600k does not a get a boost in gaming from the hyperthreading that the 2500k does not have. If you're going for just gaming get a 2500k. And yes a single 580 will be enough and you should most definitely overclock! If you get a good air cooler, you could overclock the CPU to 4.5 Ghz minimum. For the GPU, i would get the MSI 3GB version, have a look on google about the card.
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For cooling, since you're a beginner, I would recommend a closed loop water cooling system like this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835181010

The closed loop means you don't need to add anything like silver kill coils or add water to a reservoir like you would need to if you got a "full" water cooled system. You simply slap some thermal paste on your CPU, bolt the pump of the H50 onto your MoBo and set the fan at the exit of your case and you're good to go. I have the OEM version of that cooler and I actually added a 2nd fan to make it a "push/pull" configuration. Normally you have one fan and it can either suck air in and away or grab air and push it out. Now mine pulls air to the radiator then the other fan pushes it out the back of my case. Easy to do too. Just bought a computer case fan and screwed it right onto the radiator.

For the 2600k, yes, I would say you can OC it. If you didn't need to, you could save a few bucks and get the 2600 but the k means the multi is unlocked so it's specifically designed with OC'ing in mind. With a simple water cooler like the one above, you could get to high 3GHz or even 4Ghz and would still be running cool.

The motherboard is a little tricky at first but it's actually pretty simple once you realize the cases are set up to make it easy for you. You have standoffs and basically just screw your MoBo onto the side panel of your case and it's done. Check this out.


Hope that helps a little and gives you something to think about!

Edit: Good call about the 2500k. You really don't need the 2600k because the 2500k is more than adequate
Edited by jrockut83 - 8/2/11 at 12:55pm
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spend $1500-2000 at max if your monitor is 1080p. Save the rest for upgrades down the line. Go for the best price/performance parts plus a fast SSD, then upgrade when your current rig can't play games at 60fps anymore (60fps is all your monitor can display anyway)

CPU: i5-2500k
CPU COOLER: your preference, high end would be a NH-D14 or Corsair H80
RAM: 8GB DDR3 (make sure it's 1.5V)
MOBO: there is a wide variety of choices, but I do recommend the motherboard that I have
GPU: HD 6950 1GB crossfire, or GTX 560 Ti SLI
PSU: something like a HX750
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB, one of the fastest 7200rpm drives and it's cheap
SSD: The fast 120GB sandforce sata iii ssds are around $250, but you can pick up a Corsair Force F115 for less than $200 at the Egg...up to you


The reason you shouldn't spend the $3000-5000 at once is because hardware will just get cheaper and faster. Get a quality PSU which will last, and pick a case you like. For the rest (CPU, RAM, GPU, SSD), you should pick whatever is the best bang-for-your-buck you can get at the moment.


This rig will get upwards of 100FPS in BFBC2, so I think you're set for BF3 at the moment.

It's very simple to put together the parts, and OCN is very helpful. Don't worry about that part, we got you covered
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CPU
Intel 3.4GHz Core i7-2600K
$317

Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD7-B3
$350

GPU
EVGA GeForce GTX 580 Superclocked or AMD HD6990 (if you can find one)
$519 $750

RAM
Corsair 16GB Vengeance
$180

PSU
Corsair Professional Series Gold CMPSU-1200AX
$300

Cooler
Corsair Hydro Series H100
$120

SSD
2x 240GB OCZ Vertex 3
$1080 ($540 each)

HDD
3TB Seagate Barracuda XT
$200 each

ODD
Plextor B940SA
$169

Case
Take your Pick

about $3500 shipped

(my personal dream machine)*


*for now
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See how many responses you got already? We are all here to help...

And deciding the 2600k and GTX 580 is a good start performance wise... With those, you will not need to overclock yet, and if you want more performance, add another gtx 580 and/or start overclocking the CPU from there...
I still learn stuff on this site everyday and get great responses from everything I post...

We can all have arguments on what case you should get and your power supply...
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The 2600k's slight performance advantage over the 2500k is not worth the 50% difference in price. a single 580 can be upgraded to SLI 580 down the road, but I would rather spend the $500 on a 6950 crossfire setup, which will perform way better. This will keep you at over 60FPS on 1080p for at least 2-3 years, and at that time, you can get the best price/performance card they have then (nvidia 700-series? amd 8000-series?)
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After all you saying it's better to build on my own, i guess i'll give it a go. my only fear though is blowing the money on something this expensive and then ruining it in about an hour. so really... what are the main dangers of building a pc by myself?
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After all you saying it's better to build on my own, i guess i'll give it a go. my only fear though is blowing the money on something this expensive and then ruining it in about an hour. so really... what are the main dangers of building a pc by myself?
Static Electricity.
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